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See, this is (a mild version of) what I am talking about. Why is okay for YOU to have feelings about something and I am not allowed to? I don't go around pushing my beliefs on people. I don't go around picketing people. I don't go around shaming people. I don't try to make anyone do anything they don't want to. I merely feel that I cannot CONDONE, which is to say, APPROVE OF OR SUPPORT, the idea of killing when it is not in self-defense. And people like you act like it's a crime and I'm a gender traitor and an evil bitch who deserves punishment because I don't wholeheartedly endorse a type of killing I disagree with.

I never said you weren't allowed to have feelings about the subject or that you deserved any type of punishment. I said your opinion shouldn't dictate what other women are allowed to do with their lives.

And I have, in fact seen people promote abortion over other alternatives. I've seen it plenty, including people saying that it should always be the FIRST choice and that adoption was a BAD. You hear about that woman who taped her abortion so as to show what a positive thing it was? You think that isn't saying "Yeah, abortion!"? Because I saw a lot of people saying that it was great that she did that because now people can see that abortion is fine and good. If you think that no one goes "Abortion is great!" you...probably don't spend a whole lot of time in feminist spaces.

I should have clarified that I meant no one sane, because you're right on that. There are definitely the fringe people who think abortion should always be the answer 100% of the time, and I disagree completely with them. The whole point is that it should be the woman's choice. Whether that choice is abortion, adoption or carrying the pregnancy to term and then raising that child, it should be up to that woman, period.

As far as that video, we obviously differ in opinion because I DO think it was a good thing. There's a lot of misinformation about abortion out there and the video is a step towards dispelling the myth that abortion is always a horrible, awful, traumatizing thing when in many cases it honestly is the best choice for that individual woman and her individual situation.

And don't you fucking DARE tell me that I'm an enemy of all women because I don't ENDORSE something I consider harmful, that's legal, and that I couldn't do anything about if I tried, which I don't.

I never said you had to endorse it! You are completely entitled to your own opinion and 100% free to make whatever choices are best for you and your own life. All I said was that you don't get to make those choices for other women.

And you ignored my questions so it's really hard to comment any further on this.

Suicidal = life in danger. I should think that would be obvious. And you assumed that I was out there trying to impose my beliefs on people. I am not. And you told me I am an enemy of all women because I don't think abortion is a good thing, because I consider it an unjustified killing. Nowhere in my comment did I say I try to stop people doing what they see fit with their own bodies. It is entirely possible to think something is bad without becoming a mouth-frothing crazy person who attacks others and tries to force them to live a certain way. Maybe you've met some unpleasant prolifers. I know they're out there. But you don't come into a conversation and open with "Not saying you should be raped, but you are an enemy," project assumptions, tell me my views are invalid, and think that it won't be interpreted as "If you don't support this, you're bad." I admit I was a bit fire-breathing in my reply. That's mainly because most of the people who start out like you begin with the "kill yourself" pretty damn quickly once they realize I'm not about to change my feelings. It was a knee-jerk and I do apologize if I came off as abrasively as I think I probably did.

It is entirely possible to think something is bad without becoming a mouth-frothing crazy person who attacks others

I apologize, too, then, for the enemy comment. That was in response to me thinking (wrongly, apparently) that you wanted to outlaw abortion for everyone else, not just that you were personally against it. Usually when I see someone describe themselves as pro-life that's the case, so that's what I was responding to.

I have no problem with you having a personal opinion that's different than mine. You're entitled to that just as anyone else is, and anyone who tells you you should be raped or to kill yourself is just an asshole.

Thanks, I admit I got a bit defensive there. Guess we both hit the other's sore spot. But we can definitely both agree that people should be free to feel how they like. Common ground ftw lol.

Here's a tip, don't call yourself 'pro-life' if you don't want to be associated with the movement to make abortion illegal. Because that is basically what that term entails. Just say 'I don't believe abortion is a moral choice to make' or such.

This is kinda similar to the feminism thread going on above...there's a label that refers to a philosophy, then there are associations with particular groups...

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