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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-11 03:46 pm

[ SECRET POST #2686 ]


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Re: Controversial opinions

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
Right, but when society in general starts talking about who is or isn't fit to be parents, the fitness of certain groups has a disturbing tendency to come up.

In the US, we have forcibly sterilized African-American women. At present, African-American women happen to be some of the poorest people in the US. Can you then see how this conversation might make some of us profoundly uncomfortable?

Re: Controversial opinions

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 01:00 pm (UTC)(link)
'Forcibly sterilized' what? Who the hell is forcibly sterilizing anyone? I find that questionable, since black families tend to have a ton of children. Hell, my boyfriend's mother has seven and she's barely in her 40's, and every single one of them has different fathers. (And the only father that's actually in their child's lives is the father that is Latino, the other fathers are black)

Re: Controversial opinions

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 01:01 pm (UTC)(link)
life*

Re: Controversial opinions

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 02:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Have. Past-tense. It is a thing that happened (and it wasn't just African-American women; it was anyone who was considered undesirable. Black women were just targeted more than others). Last year, the state of North Carolina actually formally apologized and paid women who had been effected.

Here are a few links:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1449330/

http://racerelations.about.com/od/historyofracerelations/a/The-U-s-Governments-Role-In-Sterilizing-Women-Of-Color.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/pill/peopleevents/e_genocide.html

Re: Controversial opinions

(Anonymous) 2014-05-12 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
SA

(The PBS one is more about the pill and attitudes surrounding it, but I included it because it does mention the sterilization that happened mid-20th century)
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Re: Controversial opinions

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-05-13 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
Interestingly, the fitness of certain groups was brought up first and continues to be doggedly pursued only by you and others who keep pushing that point.
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Re: Controversial opinions

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-05-13 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Ok. Great. We get it. It WASN'T BROUGHT UP by me or any anon on this thread who sympathized with OP. NOBODY made a statement about the fitness of particular demographics. no. bo. dy.

I'm starting to feel like I'm talking at a wall. Yes, link me all the info you want. I don't fucking disagree with you or anyone about eugenics and reproductive control. I. do. not. I'm just saying that you and others inserted it into the conversation and continue to act like we brought it up.

/frustrated