[ SECRET POST #2688 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2688 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Frozen]


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03.
[Criminal Minds, Elle Greenaway]


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04.
[Utopia]


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05.
[Prison Architect]


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06.
[One Piece]


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07.
[Orphan Black]


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08.
[Craig Ferguson]


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09.
[Sarah Rees Brennan]


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10.
[Knights of Sidonia]


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[Star Trek: The Next Generation]










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Comments

Are you sure?

[chardmonster]

Are you really sure



Middle Eastern terrorists weren't a thing before 9/11

Re: Are you sure?

[mechanosapience]

I think mekkio has a point, though. Yes, there were Middle Eastern terrorist villains before 9/11, and there are still Russian/Eastern European villains after 9/11, but from my observations, the ratio has shifted heavily toward the former.

Re: Are you sure?

[mekkio]

Oh, they were around before then but they were out numbered greatly by Communist villains to the point that it was surprise when they did pop up rather than the Russians.

Re: Are you sure?

[ariakas]

If you don't see the differences between the way these were portrayed pre- and post-War on Terror, you're not paying attention.

Re: Are you sure?

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Re: Are you sure?

[chardmonster]

...yeah, you're not Arabic. We were kind of noticing this stuff.

Re: Are you sure?

[ariakas]

Care to expand on that, or is this "you're wrong because I say so, whitey, nyah nyah"?

The middle eastern terrorists portrayed during the Cold War were often for comedic effect, easily dealt with by the protagonist, and their rationalization for terrorism not taken very seriously. The Soviet antagonists were far more likely to be the serious threat, their ideologies given gravitas and a sense of menace.

Post 9/11, said middle eastern terrorists were taken more seriously in many of the works in which they appeared.

Note that I never said they weren't there (I know they were, I'm older than you, I've likely consumed as much if not more Western media), you haven't noticed shit all that I haven't. If anything, apparently, you've noticed less.

Unless you'd like to try again with a real argument and/or founded assertion this time?

Re: Are you sure?

[chardmonster]

Care to expand on that, or is this "you're wrong because I say so, whitey, nyah nyah"?

Haha, oh wow.

The middle eastern terrorists portrayed during the Cold War were often for comedic effect, easily dealt with by the protagonist, and their rationalization for terrorism not taken very seriously. The Soviet antagonists were far more likely to be the serious threat, their ideologies given gravitas and a sense of menace.

I'm not precisely arguing with this, though I'd disagree that they were generally for comedic effect. I only used The Libyans because it was a funny gif. But to act as if they weren't there in large numbers is silly. I'm not saying the portrayal didn't change, simply that they were still everywhere. It was difficult for male Arab actors who couldn't pass to get roles that weren't related to terrorism.

I suggest looking at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reel_Bad_Arabs

Re: Are you sure?

[ariakas]

But to act as if they weren't there in large numbers is silly.

I didn't say anything about the numbers.

I'm not saying the portrayal didn't change

I specifically referenced their portrayal, and their portrayal alone.

So if you don't disagree, why did you respond at all?

Re: Are you sure?

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I think the difference is that you may have seen the occasional on before, but the instance became a lot more common after 9/11 and soviet bad guys all but vanished.