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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-14 07:10 pm

[ SECRET POST #2689 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2689 ⌋

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[personal profile] skippydelicious 2014-05-15 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
He wouldn't be Harry Potter to you. Your feels are not everyones feels, and that is okay.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-15 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
No, he wouldn't be Harry Potter, period. People and characters are shaped by their life experiences. Would you be the same person if you grew up halfway around the world in completely different circumstances or in a different era? I don't think so.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-15 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
I agree. But that's exactly what I like.

A character's past that forked in time somewhere back - how would they have turned out differently? For sure, they would, and that's the interest.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-15 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
See, that's the kind of AU I like because it's still the character in their original canon world, just with different circumstances. The basic framework of the character and their world is still the same.

But transplanting Harry Potter into a modern-day US college AU with no magic or anything like that... why? There's nothing about that that makes it Harry Potter.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-15 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
So you're saying, if Harry Potter himself had to go undercover in a modern-day US college for a month, without being allowed to use magic for whatever plot reason, he would no longer be himself?

I think you're mixing up character AUs and AUs that are about the settings. They're not necessarily related.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-15 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
No, I mean if Harry Potter were a modern-day US college student in a world where magic and Hogwarts and all of that didn't exist at all.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-15 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
Then I'd be curious how the author worked to arrive at our familiar Harry Potter, or what would have changed. *shrug* To each their own, eh?
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[personal profile] skippydelicious 2014-05-15 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Mileage may vary. You seem to be forgetting this. Now if you feel that way, then fine. Go for it dude. But it is a spectrum, going all the way from your kinda hardline stance all the way up to those folks who feel Harry is still Harry even if he was abducted from Lily's womb by aliens (and Lily was actually a 3rd century tavern wench) given a genetic treatment and is really a [redacted] living on the planet [redacted] where he has the power to [data expunged].

And every point inbetween. Bonus round: even the guys on the alien tavern wench god-king end of the spectrum may have different standards for different fics and characters. Harry might always be Harry, but make one of Hermione's parent's a dental nurse instead of a Dentist proper and she might not be Hermione to them. Humans are wonderful like that.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-15 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
It's not really a matter of opinion, though. As an example, the Sherlocks from BBC Sherlock and Elementary are not the same character as ACD's Sherlock Holmes. They are based on and inspired by the original Sherlock Holmes, but they aren't him. They are their own separate characters.

The Harry Potter in your example would be the same thing: it would be a character based on Harry Potter, but it wouldn't be Harry Potter.
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[personal profile] skippydelicious 2014-05-15 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
That all depends on the viewpoint of the consumer. Not everyone will see the difference.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-15 01:50 am (UTC)(link)
That doesn't change the fact that they are not the same character.
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[personal profile] skippydelicious 2014-05-15 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
They aren't the same character to you. Other people's perceptions and emotional attachments are different. You do not get to decide where other people set that bar for their own feelings and enjoyment of a character, you only get to decide where you set the bar. If someone thinks that they are all the same to them, then they are all the same to them.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-15 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
either you're deliberately being dense or you don't understand the concept that alternate universe = an alternate version of that character with differences, NOT the original. perception has nothing to do with it. you can feel like they're the same character all you want. that does not make them the same character.

there is no opinion or perception involved.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-15 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
But does it matter?

If someone sees them as the same character, then essentially they are the same character for that person, regardless of anyone else's reality.
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[personal profile] duaedesigns 2014-05-15 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
So by your logic, there can be no such thing as fanfic, because unless it's the character written by the original author, it's not that character?

(Anonymous) 2014-05-15 05:50 am (UTC)(link)
there's a difference between writing a fanfic set in the canon universe and writing a fic that's set in a completely different setting, like the example the anon above gave with harry potter going undercover in an american college post-hogwarts versus harry potter being an american college student in a world where magic doesn't exist.

the first one is still harry potter, the second isn't. even if the second were written by the original author, it would still be an alternate version of the character. who writes it doesn't make a difference.
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[personal profile] skippydelicious 2014-05-15 11:43 am (UTC)(link)
Oh one of us is being dense, I'll admit. Incidentally NASA has asked if you can stand still for a bit. Something to do with calculating the lensing effect near you.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-15 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
It's very odd to think that I would not be me if, say, my father had taken a job overseas when I was young, or my birth mother had decided to keep me.

Perhaps I would have a different name; perhaps I would now have a different degree; perhaps I would speak more languages. But something tells me that there would still be some core aspects of my self that remained the same across possible alternate realities.