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⌈ Secret Post #2690 ⌋

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[My Little Pony: Equestria Girls movie]


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[Star Trek: The Next Generation/Reginald Barclay]


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[Call the Midwife]


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[The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim]


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[The Thing. Inception. EverymanHYBRID. Adventure Time]


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Comments

[a_potato]

I was raised Episcopalian and...yeah, your HS friend's characterization is pretty accurate (I've usually heard it called "Catholic lite," but, you know, same thing)!

[(Anonymous)]

Might be true of Episcopalians, not of Anglicans though. The vast majority of C of E congregations are Evangelicals.

[a_potato]

That makes sense. The Episcopal church did grow out of the Anglican church, and they remained close for quite some time, but there was a rather fractious split over Episcopalians' acceptance of homosexuality and the ordination of a gay bishop.

I do have a question, however: is evangelism a more recent development, or has it always been that way?

(And yeah, I can google it and will be doing so, because now I'm really interested, but I'd be interested to hear your perspective if you're willing to give it).

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT: Evangelicalism (not the same as evangelism btw - one's a theological stance, the other is spreading the Gospel - though Evangelicals do tend to go in for evangelism) has been around in the C of E since the early 19th century - in a lot of ways as a reaction to Methodism, which split off from the C of E after a period when its founders thought they could make change from within and the Establishment chased them out/they left after failing to move mountains. What was left felt too dry and formal and ceremonial for some more earnest folk who "went back to basics" and started to try to replicate a more serious and personal religion with personal conversion, the Bible and private prayer at its heart, but staying in the C of E.

[a_potato]

Thanks for your reply. I hadn't realized there was a difference between evangelism and evangelicalism; I thought they were equivalent. TIL!

In any case, as I said, I'll definitely be looking into this more (I'm fascinated with religion and its development/evolution across place and time); but this is a neat jumping off point. Thanks again!

[(Anonymous)]

On the flip side you got different earnest folk going the other way around the same time and emphasising the sacraments, priestly celibacy and medieval church design - like Augustus Welby Pugin.

[diet_poison]

I actually thought the split was within the Episcopal church, not between Episcopals and Anglicans.

Oh, and to clarify for anyone following: I wasn't trying to imply that Episcopals and Anglicans have any formal association with one another, just that the former tradition grew from the latter and I wouldn't be surprised if they have somewhat similar beliefs and practices.

[a_potato]

It's a little bit of both. The Episcopal church is part of the Anglican Communion, so the split involved both Episcopalians and Anglicans who didn't agree. There's a whole "Anglican realignment" movement that involves individuals with more conservative leanings who don't like what liberal North American Episcopalians have been up to.

Back when Bishop Robinson was ordained, my former diocese was nearly kicked out of the Anglican Communion. It was a huge deal. I'm no longer Christian, but I'm proud as hell that it stood its ground.

[diet_poison]

Thanks for the info! I don't really know anything about Episcopalianism other than having sort of attended an Episcopal church once for a few months because my ex went there. (I actually rather liked it, even though I'd been expecting not to.)

I do remember being really happy to read that there was a significant portion of the church that supported gay marriage (presumably the same part that supported the ordination).

[a_potato]

No prob! Most Episcopalians are pretty cool. I recall my time in the church very fondly, because it was truly welcoming and truly open-minded. It didn't matter who you were or what your history was; they accepted and loved you.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Please please please tell me "Evangelicals" in the UK are a different breed entirely than the USA? The National Association of Evangelicals here "boasts" such proud members as Terry Jones (non-KJV-bibles-and-Koran-burning-guy) and Westboro.

FWIW the Anglicans in my town are pretty much as far from Evangelical as it can get. Fortunately most of them are also non-religious, so there's no bible-thumping soul-saving schtick going down or anything.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Varies. You get a few loonies (you get some extreme Anglo Catholics too) but a lot of them are just very earnest and read the Bible a whole lot. They do tend to be socially conservative but not necessarily horribly so. Religion is much less prominent in English society in general. Cameron tried to make out he was on close terms with Jesus over Easter and got well shot at (metaphorically.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Well, at least they're reading the Bible, not burning it. Props to them?

LOL I wish the media here had the guts to do that with our PM we're waiting to see the back of, come the next election. Assuming it's not robocall-rigged, like the last one was....

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[tree_and_leaf]

Yes, although a lot of the people who were sniping at Cameron were church people who were pissed off that he was banging on about being Christian when his social 'reforms' are being so awful for the poor, and his government have been claiming that food banks (a lot of which are hosted by churches) aren't necessary.

OP agaiin

[(Anonymous)]

I should add, I'm not in the US (thus we have Anglicans), but the majority of the Protestant-type religions (pentecostal, etc.) get up here by way of the Americans/are run by Americans by proxy, etc. I live literally in the back end of nowhere, and 45min even more rural than I am, the Pentecostal place is run by an American.

[tree_and_leaf]

Not true, IMO.

The "vast majority" of C of E congregations are middle of the road, but as they would use vestments and have communion as the principle service, while they're not paid up members of the Anglo-Catholic wing, they would still strike a Roman Catholic as Catholic-lite.

That said, there are some dioceses that are very evangelical (Bristol, Bradford), or where there's a geography-based split (the rural bits of Southwark are very evangelical and generally quite conservative, and the urban bits are mostly liberal catholic) so I guess your impression would vary depending on where you are.

[lady_songsmith]

Yeah, basically. It makes a fair amount of sense - I mean, Henry was a good Catholic right up until it became politically sucky for him to be. The heavier reforms never really took hard root the way they did elsewhere. And today, post Vatican II, there really isn't a whole lot of difference. I know a lot of people who become dissatisfied with the Catholic church for political reasons will make the jump to Anglican (there's even a phrase for it, something about crossing or swimming the Thames)

[(Anonymous)]

There is a whole lot of difference across the board, beg to differ. C of E can get very , very Protestant indeed. I've heard sermons assuming Catholics aren't "saved", fulminating against the Pope and all kind of extreme stuff in Anglican pulpits.

Also seen reserved sacrament and stations of the cross too,mind you.

[tree_and_leaf]

Yeah, Anglicans have basically got everything from people who won't countenance infant baptism (despite the fact that the 39 Articles clearly authorise it) to Benediction and expostion of the Blessed Sacrament (despite the fact that the 39 Articles are also pretty anti that sort of thing).

[tree_and_leaf]

It's slightly more complicated than that. Yes, the C of E kept bishops, priests, and deacons, and a set liturgy, which is pretty significant, but there was a long period post Elizabeth up until the mid nineteenth century where Anglican worship was basically very protestant - no vestments, minimal manual acts during communion, infrequent celebrations of the Eucharist, no incense etc, and certainly no nuns or monks.

Things changed thanks to the Oxford Movement, led by Newman (who swam the Tiber in the end) and Keble and Pusey, who didn't. Not all of the church went along with them, but the upshot has been that things like monasticism became accepted (though not common) and priestly vestments became pretty standard, though not every church will use them. Churches are also required to celebrate communion at least every Sunday, though there are a few extreme Evangelical churches that try to avoid doing so, or don't make it their principle service.