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What were the earliest modern fandoms? I don't mean fandom in the sense of Sherlock Holmes and the like, I mean fandom in the current sense of discussion and fanfic. So basically, zine fandom. I know Star Trek TOS was a big one, but what else? And is there a place online to find it?

As far as I can tell, the first big fandoms of the Star Trek wave were Star Trek TOS, Starsky & Hutch, Blake's 7, and Star Wars. There might be a couple other big ones in that first wave too...not sure.

As for websites, fanlore.org has everything you could wish for :)

Eh, Fanlore is only really good for if you want to look up the histories of fandoms pre-2008, barring some current day megalith fandoms (though their article for MLP: FIM is shockingly sparse). Not much in the way of Western animation, anime, and video game fandoms from what I can tell; as most of the fandom articles for those are pretty bare bones.

It is fascinating reading the history of zines and hearsay of old fandom drama, though. Also interesting to see the overlap between Star Trek and Starsky and Hutch fandoms, but that's probably just me. =V

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Oh yeah, fore sure. fanlore is fanLORE, all semi-old stuff, very little current.

For current stuff, I'm not sure there is any good source though, because there's so much stuff and it all changes so fast.

(god, the Starsky and Hutch and Star Trek fandoms histories are just so fascinating aren't they? Not just for fandom, but for history in general. Seeing the technology people had access to, their social awareness, attitudes towards certain ideas, theories about fandom, etc. You can literally see the history of the hurt/comfort genre take shape in the zine discussions. And you see stuff like seeing people commenting about how VCR's are such a boon because you can rewatch key scenes over and over instead of waiting for the re-run to come around and how much that changes how people write fanfic -- because now you don't have to come up with totally new stories, you can write tags or missing scenes to individual episodes because you can rewatch them to fact-check.

I once literally spent an entire afternoon just reading through the fanlore pages cataloguing the contents of a couple of S&H letterzines like: http://fanlore.org)/wiki/S_and_H_%28Starsky_and_Hutch_letterzine%29/Issues_01-05 and http://fanlore.org/wiki/Between_Friends_%28Starsky_and_Hutch_zine%29 and seeing so many ideas about fandom in general that I never thought people back in the early '80s would have thought of.)

In retrospect, I do think most current day fandom history (from 2008 onward) is still fairly accessible, provided one knows where to look. Like, lots of old LiveJournal communities are still around and even a few DeviantArt galleries here and there. Plus, trying to find information from places like Tumblr is a little difficult, simply because of how things are set up.

Ah! I know, right? I'm ashamed to admit I didn't even think Starsky and Hutch ever had a fandom to the extent it had. Star Trek I had a vague inkling of for the longest time, but seeing it be the progenitor of most things we know today in fandom -be it genres or forms of fanwork- is, to me, mindblowing. (Also, I loved reading some of the recollections of the fans who lived and were active during that time frame)

And then there's the zine culture, oh man. ngl, it was kinda sad to read about the slow decline of the genre in general once the concept of archives for both art and writing really started to take off with the rise of the internet. Not to mention early fandom-related con culture, too; or the early days of fan vids.

OMG you have NO IDEA how much time I've wasted going through the records of old zines on fanlore! Especially those Starsky & Hutch zines some helpful editor found the time to excerpt and post for posterity -- together with Star Trek, it's basically the foundation of current fandom, the Plato and Aristotle, if you wanna be super-dorky about it ;) You can actually *see* how a good 90% of all the fully-fleshed out and branched-out ideas and tropes and conventions and genres in fandom nowadays grew out of Star Trek TOS and Starsky & Hutch. It's just *so fascinating* I never spend any money on fandom, but I swear that when I get my own place I'm going to waste a lot of money on collecting really old letterzines to get the history of early fandom, 'cause I'm a nerd like that.

That sounds completely fascinating! *files for future procrastination*

it's been mentioned here that starsky and hutch had zines with fics and art. that's pretty much all i know about it.

http://fancyclopedia.org/fandom

See also:

http://www.fanac.org/Fan_Histories/

Modern as in internet? As in post-usenet?

I'd say it went in stages, honestly. Star Trek played a part, but I also think Buffy, Harry Potter and LOTR collectively played a part, being big around the same time. But they were still way past usenet and everything else.

If you mean even before usenet, I'd say Star Trek, but I'm not really sure. And actually, I think the original Sherlock Holmes did have a fanfic following, even back then...

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I meant "modern" as in post 1960s lol ;) aka not Paradise Lost, Virgil's Aeneid, Dante's Inferno, Sherlock Holmes, Little Women, etc XD

Sherlock Holmes fandom did survive past the 1960s, though? It's still thriving. There's been a major film adaptation and two television series, not to mention novels and mash-ups. How many "modern" fandoms can say that?

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Yes, but that's...not what I meant. I meant the movement of fandom that *started* in the 1960s-70s. I didn't say anything about *ending* in the 1960s.

You sound really weirdly defensive. I only singled out Sherlock Holmes because its fandom is such a big deal and is so unique that the whole fandom is sort of an outlier and anomaly when compared to the rest of fandom.

I think it might actually still just be sherlock holmes. I mean it's questionable what you want to call fan fiction but there's tons of pastiche and fan writings, and obviously volumes of discussion

Yeah, there were fan clubs (some still in existence today) and fan creative works. It was probably a bit different in feel compared to fandom in the late 60s onward for Star Trek, etc. but that's perhaps mostly a matter of general cultural change over time.

There were certainly cons and costuming and newsletters and letter column discussions and things among sci-fi/fantasy fans pre-Star Trek (and post-Sherlock Holmes) but I think Star Trek had an especially active and visible fandom compated to most.

Why?)
Anyway, I know about Star Trek TOS, Starsky & Hutch, Professionals, SH, maybe Sailor Moon, Doctor Who.

Pern had an active following on usenet and a couple of muds dedicated to it. Lord of the Rings had a fair bit of cosplay and conlang adopters.

I wonder if the old Speed Racer anime (1967-68 version) had a fandom? God knows I shipped Speedy and Racer X, even before I knew what shipping was. I truly believed they were boyfriends parted by circumstances and not "brothers."

Ok, I just read the entire thread and you explained what you meant by "modern," so I deleted my rambling paragraph about Don Quixote and its unauthorized fan sequels. Post-1960s, I don't know anything.

... but how is Sherlock Holmes not "fandom in the current sense of discussion and fanfic"? There was discussion. There's fucktons of fanfic, a considerable amount of it published as well as unpublished.

Yes, but its fandom was different back before the 1960s. It didn't have the whole commonly-known style of amateur fanfic and discussion back then, it had societies, pastiches, and essays. No fanfic with typical fanfic tropes and genres, and no slash. Even though Sherlock Holmes fandom started in the 1880s, the "current" style of fanfic and discussion, for ALL fandoms, really got launched in the 1960s-70s, with Star Trek zines.

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