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⌈ Secret Post #2693 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think with some slash ships, there is a sense of validation behind wanting the ship to be canon. Like in Star Trek, I know there are a few shippers who would really like to see Kirk and Spock become canon because it's such a "long-running" ship and there is some evidence that the creator -- Gene Roddenberry -- would have been okay with it being canon (like him creating a word for their relationship that specifically includes the definition "lover.")

But…yeah…in the end, realistically slash ships aren't going to happen in almost all cases. But, to be honest, I don't really think it's that big a deal. In the new Star Trek films, for example, Spock is with Uhura but it's (in my opinion) rather poorly written and so I have a lot of trouble shipping it. While I was able to start shipping Kirk and Spock after watching Into Darkness.

It's the kind of thing where I think "If I could switch Kirk and Uhura's roles and thus make my ship canon, would I do it?" And the honest answer (speaking from a purely shipping perspective) would be "no." Because honestly, even as the films stand, I think that Spock has more emotionally intimate scenes with Kirk than with his girlfriend. And they interact SO much more. Would I want all those lovely conversations they have -- all those scenes of them challenging each other or discussing their feelings -- to be gone just to have a kiss or a scene of Kirk being upset with Spock for risking his life? Nope.

[(Anonymous)]

Right? Great relationships that don't get explored romantically and/or sexually in canon are often better off that way. Canon gay Spock and Kirk would have played out a lot differently than bromance Spock and Kirk, and probably not for the better for shippers.

That said, I think the increase of moments between Spock and Kirk in STID was done specifically to satisfy K/S shippers without retconning ST2009.

[(Anonymous)]

To be honest, I'd be REALLY surprised if the moments between Spock and Kirk in STID were put in there for shippers. I think they exist because the writers were copying Wrath of Khan and also because the 2009 film kind of established their relationship as the foundation of the new films. I mean, when you think about it, Nimoy's Spock didn't go with Kirk to explain Nero and the black hole and all that (and thus risked the lives of everyone on Earth AFTER Vulcan had been destroyed) -- because he wanted Kirk and Spock to come together and realize that they would have a relationship that would define them. Like holy moly…

But I agree with you that they'd be a lot worse off if it was canon. Because the writers of the new films tend to be rather inept in a lot of ways and also because I think they would pull back from a lot of those emotional scenes because they'd be worried about idiots reacting negatively to "teh gay."

[(Anonymous)]

There are scenes that are copied from WOK but then there are just gratuitous scenes that could have been filled with plot development that they were just looking at each other, moving from place to place together, having unnecessary arguments just to have screen time together.

I just think there is so much of this extra for fans. I do get that they were trying to show a deepening of the K,S relationship, but hiding many of the S/U interactions while highlighting (non-story driving) K,S seems to be fan service.

I'm not completely coherent, I know, just, I get that many scenes between them were important to the story, it's the extra I'm referring to.