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⌈ Secret Post #2694 ⌋

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[General Hospital]

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[Homestuck, The Other Woman, Pacific Rim, Naruto, X-Men]

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[The Ear, the Eye and the Arm]

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[Warehouse 13]

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[Alton Brown and Anthony Bourdain]

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[YU-NO: A Girl Who Chants Love at the Bound of This World]

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[Star Trek: The Next Generation]

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[Magic: the Gathering]

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[Smallville]

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You've misunderstood me.

I specifically mentioned that compliance isn't a measure of intelligence per se. That's why I used the example of the octopus, they are as 'unsocial' and 'uncompliant' as cats - indeed significantly more so, but they pass most measures of intelligence very well because we take that into account. But you're projecting heavily here, which ironically is what you're criticising me for. Cats don't have any opinion on inferiority or superiority simply because they're not wired to even understand such a concept, the truth is much simpler. Cats can't understand the casual link between instructions and rewards in the same way a dog can.

They are incapable of complex problem solving. Which is understandable, they're not designed for it - but it is very much what we define as intelligence.

You seem to be confusing that here, ability and intelligence are not directly linked. There are for example any number of tasks that a computer or robot can carry out far better than I, but that does not mean that I'm not more intelligent then it is. Which is common, most solitary predators are very stupid in comparison to pack animals, with a couple of effective behaviours for a number of complex evolutionary factors.

I think you are grossly misunderstanding the scope of intelligence tests, as well as approaching this with a clear bias. (for the record, I don't have cats or dogs, I am a small rodent person)

I am not projecting by referring to social dynamics of dogs vs social dynamics of cats. In fact, I'm curious as to why you are ignoring the biological imperative dogs have to please owners (and therefore, generally be compliant with testing). Instead, you're equating that to intelligence, which is pretty ridiculous. Cats do not have pack dynamics in their brains, and certainly no recognition of an "alpha" as dogs do. They are solitary.

Yet these tests - and animal intelligence experts generally concur - are often biased to manipulating behaviors that come more natural to dogs than to cats. This does NOT mean cats are incapable of solving complex problems. If you check the link I posted, you'll see referred to various complex problems, including learning how to work together with a fellow cat while in a cage to get a treat that would be otherwise impossible. The fact that you think cats are incapable of "complex problem solving" (at least how it is defined in terms of all animal testing, including dogs) makes me think you simply don't have any idea what kinds of tests have been performed with cats.

I've refuted your (wrong) point that cooperation correlates with intelligence. It does not. Cats have lower motivation for food rewards and for pleasing humans than dogs. This directly relates to their style of hunting in the wild, for both animals.

And I've already explained that cats have a higher ability for information processing (a factor of intelligence) than dogs do.

I am not saying cats are smarter than dogs. I am saying that they cannot be compared, and both are "smart" in ways appropriate to their species. It's one thing to say dogs are better at a certain type of test. But dogs are not "smarter" than cats.

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