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Re: What are regional cultural differences in the USA?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure if this is right, but I think a more specific criteria would be that immigrants who were not Anglo-Saxon/Germanic protestants were looked down on. So these European immigrants were still white, they just weren't the right kind of white.

Re: What are regional cultural differences in the USA?

[(Anonymous)]

still white, they just weren't the right kind of white

Well that's just fucked up.

Re: What are regional cultural differences in the USA?

[inkdust]

That's a good way of putting succinctly what I was trying to say.

Re: What are regional cultural differences in the USA?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

yep.

Re: What are regional cultural differences in the USA?

[tabaqui]

But Germans had a hard go of it in some places, too - hate for everyone!

Re: What are regional cultural differences in the USA?

[(Anonymous)]

When the US entered WWI, the anti-German prejudice got a new lease on life (and lots of traditionally bilingual communities became monolingual within a generation -- including German-speaking towns that had been founded by socialist utopians in the 1850s and could not have been less sympathetic to the Kaiser):

Re: What are regional cultural differences in the USA?

[tabaqui]

Yes. They also got a lot of crap during the twenties because of the 'beer gardens', and during the Civil War by Southern soldiers/sympathizers, because it was assumed that the Germans were automatically Union. Missouri was divided, but St.Louis - a very German town - was 'the Northern city in the Southern state'.

Sadly, this meant Germans *outside* of St. Louis were often just killed by any Southern soldiers or sympathizers.

And now we have our Oktoberfests. Life is weird.

Re: What are regional cultural differences in the USA?

[(Anonymous)]

Er...not entirely true, as far as the whole killing thing goes. It depended on context in a lot of ways because my family [father's side]? Very, very german - to the point they were still speaking german when WW2 rolled around...but they didn't really have that issue during the Civil War. And yes, they were in a confederate state.

So, it depended on the situation.

Re: What are regional cultural differences in the USA?

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't know that about anti-German violence in the South during the Civil War! Do you have any books / articles to recommend on the subject?

Re: What are regional cultural differences in the USA?

[tabaqui]

I don't, really, I'm sorry. Years and years ago, i read Daniel Woodrell's 'Woe to Live On' and first encountered it, and over time i've read bits and pieces of things that showed that the anti-German sentiment wasn't uncommon. There *were* German fighters on both sides, but the North had nearly 200,000 German soldiers, many new immigrants, and even before the war, there was 'anti-Dutch' sentiment across the entire country, due to religion (and no religion) and cultural differences.

The author well remembers the speech of Judge William Price. He told him that the lopeared Dutch had reached Rolla, Missouri, the terminus of the railroad, and that they were complete heathens; that Abraham Lincoln had given the state of Missouri to them, if they would send enough lopeared Dutch to conquer the state, and that to his knoweldge they had gone out into the country and taken men's wives and daughters and brought them into the camps, and that he saw them, in the presence of the mothers, run bayonets through their infant children and hoist them up and carry them around on their bayonets...

From "A History of Southern Missouri and Northern Arkansas" by William Monks.