[ SECRET POST #2698 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2698 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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04. http://i.imgur.com/x1ReEav.png
[Curvy; linked for porn, illustrated]


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05. http://i.imgur.com/CEL6gFP.jpg
[linked for gore and stuff]


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06. [SPOILERS for Captain America: The Winter Soldier]



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07. [SPOILERS for Godzilla 2014]



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08. [SPOILERS for Wreck-it Ralph]



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09. [WARNING for rape]
http://i.imgur.com/uGSGQZF.jpg
[Starfighter, porn from it]


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10. [WARNING for rape]

[Daughter of Smoke and Bone]













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Comments

[ninety6tears]

The thing is while we would like to believe this is a ridiculous assumption, I have long felt that there are always fans whose shipping is mostly or entirely driven by the fetishizing id that just wants to see/imagine the hot characters making out and even falsely rationalize the emotional element to further the sexual fantasy (and if you think this is an unfair assumption, please consider if you have ever shipped something really hard but felt that other shippers don't exactly ship it for the right reasons and make one too many things in the relationship about the physical desire?...cause I don't know, I sure have); and in this way I think there could easily be a phase where the novelty of pairing up the men holds more of that excitement but then maybe the clarity of how little their interpretation holds water eventually kicks in. But for those of us who ship slash because it's not what we get from the media or because the relationship just is compelling, it's shitty for people to make blanket statements like slash has to be this entirely insular genre of fanporn. (And let me clarify I don't think there's anything wrong with only enjoying any pairing for the erotic element, I just kinda prefer people don't bullshit themselves about it, LOL.)

[(Anonymous)]

Nice post!

and " if you have ever shipped something really hard but felt that other shippers don't exactly ship it for the right reasons and make one too many things in the relationship about the physical desire" "because the relationship just is compelling"

YEEEEEEEEP!

I wouldn't say anything judgy like that aloud though.

But yeah, I'm into slash ships for the emotions! The relationship. How they slowly fall in love. How their personalities go together, how they interact, how they would get to the point of falling in love from that and how their relationship or lack thereof is in the canon progresses.

So it's kinda jarring that the majority ships for the "hotness" and smut/porn.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but you can easily make this argument for het ships as well. Or when people see a guy and a girl together do they not also consider how hot they look? Moreover, I've noticed that there is also a tendency with het ships for the writer or shipper to picture herself in the female character's place. As though the character is an empty vessel onto which the writer/shipper can project herself in order to be the object of a hot guy's affection. I don't know about you, but that seems just as problematic (if not more so) than the "fetishization" of male characters for a slash ship. At least when it's a sexual fantasy, it's voyeuristic, but you're not subsuming a character's personality in order to put yourself in their place. One might think two male characters look hot together but the shipper is still enjoying the two characters as they are. Whereas, in the case of het ships, I've noticed that in some fanfics, the female character is basically the author in disguise.

That's not true for all het shippers/ships of course (not by a long shot) and I think this pattern holds true for slash shippers as well. Are there some that are purely fetishizing? Yes. But I'd argue that the majority genuinely enjoy the emotion connection between the two characters. And I think that holds for both het and slash ships.

Sadly, I think another factor that we need to take into account is that, quite simply, there are just more male characters and -- especially -- better written/developed male characters than female ones. Which leads to an increase in slash shipping.

[(Anonymous)]

At least when it's a sexual fantasy, it's voyeuristic, but you're not subsuming a character's personality in order to put yourself in their place. One might think two male characters look hot together but the shipper is still enjoying the two characters as they are. Whereas, in the case of het ships, I've noticed that in some fanfics, the female character is basically the author in disguise.
Have you not seen this in slash fics? Because I sure have. Just because the two people involved are guys doesn't prevent a woman fanfic author from putting herself in the place of one of the characters involved. I have seen so many fics where one of the guy's personalities is totally changed and seemingly more stereotypically feminine, and while I cannot prove it, as I don't know the authors involved, I'd wager that they are pretty much making the one character them in disguise, despite the gender.

[(Anonymous)]

It happens in slash fic as well. I wasn't trying to imply otherwise. But the point I was hoping to convey was more related to the issue of fetishization and how ,while that can definitely be seen as exploitative, is it really worse than using a character as an empty vessel? Mainly, I brought it up because fetishization is a charge often leveled at slash shippers and, while I do think it's true for a segment of the group, I don't think it's representative of anything inherently wrong with slash shippers or slash shipping in general.

The OP wasn't necessarily making this argument, but I've seen others say, for instance, that slash shipping pushes aside a canon female interest in order to fetishize hot men. And while that's true for some, I think the attitude behind the sentiment is problematic in and of itself. If one is "ignoring" the female love interest by shipping two hot guys, why is that worse than het shippers who basically just use the female character as an empty vessel because they find the male love interest attractive? I think of it as "Bella Swaning" female characters and, quite honestly, I find it just as problematic as ignoring or demonizing a canon female love interest.

Either way, you're destroying a female character.

[ninety6tears]

I don't see how it also being true for het shippers contradicts anything I was saying, though (in fact I agree with most of what you're saying). Het shippers can also "grow out of" only shipping het or of doing it in a self-inserty kinda way. And there's no real need for a contest of "Who ships it worse?", LOL, you find all kinds everywhere, and I'm not even trying to say they can't or shouldn't have their fun. I do think slashers tend to over-analyze the "eye fucking" and whatnot more often than het shippers, which happens to be the discussion I get bored with really fast even if I do ship the pairing, but when their ships usually aren't canon that shit's to be expected.