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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-27 07:04 pm

[ SECRET POST #2702 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2702 ⌋

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Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-05-28 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
It means all women experience sexism and are threatened by misogyny. Not everyone experiences sexism directly or ever suffers any kind of gendered abuse or assault, though, but we all live in a patriarchy (or at least, it's presumed that right now, anyone who lives in a culture that gives them access to Twitter is probably living in a patriarchy or a patriarchy-derived culture).

By virtue of living in a patriarchy, most have women have experienced some form of sexism - ranging from restrictive gender behavior as children to slutshaming/prudeshaming to being passed over for promotion at work to being told "you're just PMSing" when expressing very valid anger at something to being told to "not get raped", etc....to more serious things like sexual abuse, rape, domestic violence, murder, etc.

Maybe you're one of the very lucky ones who hasn't experienced this - but when more than 95% of women have, most people would say that's enough to start saying "all" with some exceptions rather than using "some" as a default. I so hope you are one of the outliers, though. :)

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

(Anonymous) 2014-05-28 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I don't disagree about women having all once experienced racism, whether they realized it or not. What I mind though is the way it's done, I mean, it's just so preachy and passive agressive. Just like the feminists who insist you have to call yourself a feminist if you care about women's rights.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

(Anonymous) 2014-05-28 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
There's not much passive about it, actually. And it seems like preachy might be dependent on the individual interpretation. I haven't found it preachy at all, but I know that people interpret these types of things very differently depending on personal experience.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

(Anonymous) 2014-05-28 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
You'd be surprised at how many men actually believe women have it easier than they do because they can have sex whenever they want! And it gets infuriating after a while. These aren't the people that will listen to whispers, you need to shout it.

And then you have guys like spoiled little prick who think you, as a woman, solely exist to hand out pleasure prizes to men, and ohmygod, you have a vagina, you control the vagina currency, how dare you! Being silent really isn't an option here.
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Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-05-28 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
It's not passive-aggressive. It's assertive. Yeah, sure, technically a correct application would be "YesMostWomen", but it doesn't have the same impact, and it has a very specific context and history, namely that it's a response to the "not all men" defense a lot of men use to derail discussions of misogyny. The idea is that everyone should be invested in eradicating misogyny, not just women - everyone is involved and everyone is affected, and that even by being silent and not saying anything, men passive condone misogyny.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

(Anonymous) 2014-05-28 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a woman who tends to be contrary so I hate being generalized at all. But I get what you're saying. I don't want people to think of me as a victim, I don't want to think of myself as a victim, but it's very true that living in a patriarchal society, you experience infuriating misogyny in demeaning, degrading, objectifying media, at the very least, so yeah. I still hate being lumped in a category, but I'll agree that the problem is epidemic and needs to fucking change.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

(Anonymous) 2014-05-28 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'm that way too. I don't like tweets like the Margaret Atwood quote that "en are afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them" because I've been laughed at by lots of men and never threatened with murder, so I'm going to have to say as a woman I'm more afraid of being laughed at than killed. But clearly lots of women are afraid of being killed, so I don't need to say, well "Not all women" at them.