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⌈ Secret Post #2704 ⌋

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"At least he's not fully aware of what's going on",

I'm not sure he's not aware, though. He both screams in pain when Steve breaks his arm, and exhibits genuine fear when he's pinned. Which means, regardless of what he forgets he's aware in the moment.

The chair, as well. Sure, he's somewhat bestial in his reactions, but there's no reason for him to be breathing that hard BEFORE the damnable thing turns on, unless he knows it's going to hurt him. He's also obviously used to the routine, given that he took the bite block as soon as it was presented.

Holy fuck this canon is screwed up.

The Winter Soldier part of it is basically psychological horror, when you get down to it.

Oh no, I didn't mean he wasn't aware at all, because obviously he still showed fear and pain and even a sense of longing when he realized someone knew who he was, more like...he wouldn't completely realize how fucking terrible everything he was going through was because for him it would be all he knew. It would just be another thing he had to take and another order he would have to obey. He probably wouldn't understand (to the extent someone who wasn't brainwashed would) 'this is wrong'. (I don't think I'm articulating myself well.)

Ah. Ok. I have actually heard the "he's just an empty shell; why do you feel bad about things done to him?" argument. It hurts me even more than the "he's a villain and willfully evil" thing, and I was afraid you were making it.

I get you. He doesn't fight back because he doesn't actually comprehend that he can. In order to be able to use him the one thing Hydra had to guarantee is that the Soldier will always come back. Which means they had to make sure he would never, ever fight them.

LIke I said, psychological horror. :(

I have actually heard the "he's just an empty shell; why do you feel bad about things done to him?" argument. It hurts me even more than the "he's a villain and willfully evil" thing, and I was afraid you were making it.

No no no no no, never in a million years, never. That's awful. Sorry for leading you to that assumption! I'm not even sure how a person COULD think that.

In order to be able to use him the one thing Hydra had to guarantee is that the Soldier will always come back. Which means they had to make sure he would never, ever fight them.

Yea, exactly. At the start Bucky rails against them, so they wipe his memory and find ways to break and brainwash him so he'll be a timid little soldier. Poor Bucky...

So much psychological horror.

People believe all sorts of crazy shit about the Winter Soldier. There's the fun subset of individuals that think Loki is completely forgivable for everything he's done and none of it was his fault, but think that the Winter Soldier is a complicit, willing party. Think what you like about Loki, but that anyone could hold those two beliefs simultaneously is baffling to me.

Comic Bucky killed and injured a huge amount of his captors when they first took him, despite only having one arm. I like to believe that MCU!Bucky got the small mercy of getting to do the same before they destroyed his mind. ...I ignore that comic!Bucky was a master of hand-to-hand combat arts before he became the Winter Soldier, whereas MCU!Bucky was mostly a sniper.

I have never seen these people, and hope I never do. There would be much anger. At this point in the MCU, I don't see how Loki can be forgiven; even if they give him another redemption arc I feel like it will come off as hollow. Loki is always going to screw things up and betray the people he trusts; he loves the power and mischief too much. Bucky, however, is at his core a good person who's done some not great things (during the war, I imagine), then had everything stripped away from him and was forced to do even worse things. While he'll feel massive amounts of guilt over that later, that shit isn't on him, it's on Hydra. He isn't the one at fault here, he's a victim. People are dumb.

D'aww, I hope he did as well. (I'm saying d'aww over the thought of Bucky getting to kill people, this is what I've become. Whatever, he deserves it.)

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