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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-31 04:03 pm

[ SECRET POST #2706 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2706 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-05-31 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Tell us the fandom and maybe we'll discuss it with you?

(Anonymous) 2014-05-31 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Eh, really?

Maybe I'm lucky or it's the smaller fandoms I've participated in, but it is possible to have differing opinions without getting into a shit-slinging fight.

[personal profile] solticisekf 2014-05-31 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a problem with small fandoms where everyone knows each other. I don't see any solution. Perhaps making a sock account or venting anon would work, idk.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-31 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Not OP. I tried ranting anon. It caused a shit storm in my own tiny fandom.

[personal profile] solticisekf 2014-05-31 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting! I've never tried myself. Was it a fun shitstorm?

(Anonymous) 2014-05-31 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Ayrt Unfortunately not. :/

(Anonymous) 2014-05-31 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
AMEN. My fandom is exactly the same. God forbid you want to discuss something like characterisation.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-01 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
I'm open to discussing characterization in the smaller fandom that I'm in, but I hate when certain characterization gets forced down my throat. :/

(Anonymous) 2014-05-31 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I know this feeling. I was in a not-very-large book fandom which had nice, small activities and there actually were options to discuss the source material because people were aware of the flaws despite their love for it. Then, during a time when some sequels happened, the old fandom kind of ... died all of a sudden. The sequels weren't great, fandom was a bit disappointed so I guess that was one of the reasons.
The fandom was tentatively revived some time ago - but on tumblr and not on the old platform, with none of the old fandom group still there. And they all sing praises for the terrible sequels in this "THOU SHALT NOT INSULT MY PRECIOUSSS IT IS FLAWLESS" tumblr kind of way and I kind of silently left and decided to go with "it died for good back then".

(Anonymous) 2014-06-01 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
This sounds very very familiar to a book fandom I was in, that had a mailing list and some good author interactions...dare I ask you to name the fandom?

(Anonymous) 2014-06-01 10:48 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure about a mailing list, it was more livejournal based. It had metal dragons.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-01 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
(totally late... damn timezones)

different anon, but i think i know which fandom you speak of. the LJ group was great! were there more than three sequels, though? or maybei have it wrong afterall. (i only read the first three books... the last one sounded... not to my taste)

(Anonymous) 2014-06-01 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
If we're talking about the same fandom (metal dragons, gay magicians, delicate flowers and almost incest + balcony scene, written by an author team of two, both with roots in a pretty well known fandom project), there were three sequels, four books in all. I thought the second book was ... alright but the third one really fucked up the characterisation of one of the original main characters and I wasn't a big fan of the last one either, although it had some cute little fanservice moments.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-01 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
yes, yes we are.
i remember that i liked only one "couple" in the second book (and the one, i didn't expect to like, because it sounded even more cliché than the other one to boot) and barely remember the third, except for the scene in the... desert storm? i don't even remember if i liked it. (i remember loving all the covers lol)
i do remember that they all weren't that well written, but they had likeable characters for the most part. still, never bothered with book 4...
(i think i'm the only one who found the actual gay couple from book 1 boring together)

(Anonymous) 2014-06-01 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Nah, I thought they were boring, too. I was a big fan of the airmen but that was pretty short-lived, considering the end of book one. I was a big fan of the fandom's popular crackship of two of the guys.

The "couple" in the second book had a lot more dynamic than the first book's couple - those two really read a lot like the very classic student/teacher shonen-ai manga couple and that was pretty boring. Incest!ship had a lot more tension than the actual main couple, that was kind of ...sad. Third book was my least favourite and all I remember about it was the terrible characterisation I mentioned and the trans character.

Book 4 was a bit better than book 3 but not in a "you should think about reading it to complete the series after all" kind of way.

I thought that especially book 1 had a great basic concept and characters but it suffered from "let's spend all the time on character development and exposition, whoops we need some plot, let's push it all into the last ~50 pages". Book 2 got better in the plot department, but half of the POVs were pretty boring. Book 3 was pretty bad over all. The whole series was tricky, considering the main conflict had been resolved in book 1 and it seemed like they didn't really know what to do after that.

I still loved book 1 and especially what the fandom did with it, stories, artworks, kink-meme and all. It was an enjoyable place.
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[personal profile] needled_ink_1975 2014-05-31 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Hell, yeah. I know all about this. I made huge mistakes. Coming from a non-fannish writing background, I just assumed it was okay to criticize canon characterization. Errrrgghhh! WRONG! I got dog-piled. Mods kept it reasonably civil, but I got told I was an ass, et cetera. Fun times.

Fandom? Devil Wears Prada. They love their whiny little Andy Sachs. Mustn't be "mean" to her. Blah, blah. Oh fuckit. *goes off and writes fic that fixes whininess; gets like 70 "Awesome fic!" comments* ... *side-eyes everyone*

Needless to say I'm no longer in that fandom.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-31 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
It sounds like your fandom needs a discussion comm where you're only allowed to post anon.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-31 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh. Preach it.

I thought about writing meta to try and get my current fandom back on track (and away from the vomit inducing OOC fluff that it's stumbled into). But I don't think it would even be welcome. There's nobody left who wants to discuss the canon, and that makes me sad. :(

(Anonymous) 2014-06-01 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
Ugh, my tiny fandom is the same: all OOC fluff with huge dollops of hurt/comfort. It's so awful that it's kinda contaminated my love of canon (which of course is nothing like that). I'd kill for some intelligent meta.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-01 08:25 am (UTC)(link)
What fandom are you in anon?

(Anonymous) 2014-05-31 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
My solution to this in my own tiny fandom is to do my discussing in private with my friends and block the dumb people on the tumblr tag.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-01 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
This sounds like my fandom. Even untagged negative posts on Tumblr get jumped on and whined about. It's really stifled discussion. It got so bad for a while that someone claimed a post saying "character X is my favorite (character type) in the series!" was bashing character Y, who was also a (character type). Even though character Y wasn't mentioned at all, and favorite is an obvious subjective way of phrasing.
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[personal profile] ninety6tears 2014-06-01 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
That sucks. Small fandoms thrive better on an actual range of opinions a lot of the time.