[ SECRET POST #2706 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2706 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, yes he did. People conveniently forget that.

[(Anonymous)]

He never tried to rewrite the entire history of DW though.

[(Anonymous)]

He did a bit. If anything in a previous episode contradicted the story they wanted to tell, they just went ahead with what they wanted. That's according to the continuity editor, who encouraged it.

Moffat has only rewritten his own era, really. Everything else has been pretty faithful, adding new information and working with the old.

[(Anonymous)]

Except for Clara being the person who has looked over him in every incarnation and kept him safe....

[ryttu3k]

And except for the part where the 50th anniversary special took a great big shit all over The End of Time and basically the entire history of the Time Lords.

What happened to, "In all my travelling throughout the universe, I have battled against evil, against power-mad conspirators. I should have stayed here. The oldest civilisation: decadent, degenerate, and rotten to the core. Power-mad conspirators, Daleks, Sontarans, Cybermen - they're still in the nursery compared to us. Ten million years of absolute power. That's what it takes to be really corrupt!"?

What happened to,

DOCTOR: Something is returning. Don't you ever listen? That was the prophecy. Not someone, something.
MASTER: What is it?
DOCTOR: They're not just bringing back the species. It's Gallifrey. Right here, right now.
MASTER: But, I did this. I get the credit. I'm on your side.
[Insert bit with the glass booths here]
MASTER: But this is fantastic, isn't it? The Time Lords restored.
DOCTOR: You weren't there in the final days of the War. You never saw what was born. But if the Timelock's broken, then everything's coming through. Not just the Daleks, but the Skaro Degradations, the Horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the Could-have-been King with his army of Meanwhiles and Never-weres. The War turned into hell. And that's what you've opened, right above the Earth. Hell is descending.
MASTER: My kind of world.
DOCTOR: Just listen! Because even the Time Lords can't survive that.
RASSILON: We will initiate the Final Sanction. The end of time will come at my hand. The rupture will continue until it rips the Time Vortex apart.
MASTER: That's suicide!
RASSILON: We will ascend to become creatures of consciousness alone. Free of these bodies, free of time, and cause and effect, while creation itself ceases to be.
DOCTOR: You see now? That's what they were planning in the final days of the War. I had to stop them.

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When even the Master realises that bringing back the Time Lords is a really, really bad idea, that indicates that you PROBABLY shouldn't retcon it with bullshit, "omg but I get to search for home now I saved everyone happy sparkly ending yaaaay!".

Moffat is definitely not being faithful to the entire series as a whole, and he used the fiftieth anniversary of a show that's been running for almost as long as he's been alive to rip out the continuity he finds inconvenient and to produce his own bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

All that and the "won't someone think of the children?" schtick.

News for Moffat: Young kids don't give a shit about all the children there were on Gallifrey. Only sentimental adults give a shit about all the fictional children on some fictional world. Most kids don't discover sentimental until they're in their teens. And he also made the Doctor conveniently ignore the fact that those children are going to be raised by the Time Lords - those bastards who wanted to wipe out the Universe so they could ascend to a higher state of being or whatever you wanna call it. And look at me ramble...

Sorry.

[ryttu3k]

I kind of hope that, with Twelve and Moffat, they run with it. Keep pushing the idea that saving all the Time Lords was wooonderful, so happy, they're returning, yay!

And then we get Thirteen and a new showrunner and the Time Lords are back - and now that they've conveniently had all of their enemies wiped out in the Time War, they're basically indestructable and are now the biggest threat in the universe, and are the new big bads for that season/arc.

And the Doctor starts realising, oops, he made a reeeeally big mistake...

[(Anonymous)]

I would subscribe to your channel and watch the fuck out of that.

[(Anonymous)]

...the entire history of the Time Lords as defined by RTD, you mean. TLOTL and EOT sucked as well, and the bit you've excerpted proves why. Sooooo OTT and just generally camp/histrionic ugh. Don't get me started on FloatyDoctorMessiahSavedByEveryone'sFaith No NO NO NO NO NO just no. No. It sucked.

That said. Moffat's retcon sucked worse. So. Yeah.

[ryttu3k]

...You know that RTD didn't write the first part, right? That's from The Ultimate Foe. From 1986. With the Sixth Doctor.

And eh, I'd rather OTT than blatantly shitting all over DW's history. RTD definitely wasn't perfect, and I'm not saying he was an amazing writer. But the way he wrote the Time Lords in EOT IS consistent with the way they were being developed in the classic series (hell, they were antagonistic from their first appearance - wiping Zoe and Jamie's memories, forcing the Doctor to regenerate, and stranding him on Earth are not exactly benevolent), and that kept building and building to the point that even by the Sixth Doctor era, they were described as the most corrupt civilisation in the universe.

RTD acknowledged that the Doctor would feel a tremendous amount of guilt straight after the Time War and would want to bring them back (his conversation with Rose in... Father's Day, IIRC). He also constantly revealed more and more and had the Doctor realise that the universe was FAR better off without them. End of Time comes around and we find out why, and it makes sense, given the history we've seen since, like, 1968.

Moffat ignored ALL of that in favour of, "Yayyyy saving the chilluns going home!"

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

The immpression I got was that the plot to destroy everything and become "creatures of consciousness alone" was the path of the High Council, but maybe not necessarily what every single person on Gallifrey wanted.

But I will acknowledge that Moffat seems to have glossed over how bad the Time Lords got for the 50th anniversary special, which comes off ironic because he did forget it for "Night of the Doctor" (the 8th Doctor transition mini-episode), in how the woman refused rescue when she found out the Doctor was a Time Lord.

[ryttu3k]

He can't keep his own stories straight. Is anyone honestly surprised?

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't he decide not to do that particular story because IIRC, the story would have made something the Doctor created/manipulated?