[ SECRET POST #2706 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2706 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[feotakahari]

What stats are they using to determine times guns are "used"? There's a famous study indicating that in the vast majority of cases where guns are aimed at burglars or robbers, those guns are never fired. http://www.guncite.com/gcdgklec.html (Though the results have been questioned: http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=112 )

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[ariakas]

They have all the studies they used for these stats linked; in that case it's this one:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9715182/

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[feotakahari]

Yeah, that one explicitly leaves out cases where the gun doesn't injure or kill anyone. In Kleck's study, 92% of cases where a gun was used for self defense involved either warning shots with no injury, or never firing a shot. (Again, I have no clue how good a study it was, and it has come under fire, but it at least makes sense that aiming a gun at someone wouldn't necessarily mean firing it.)

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[ariakas]

Yeah, reading that, he's still using self-reported survey data, albeit with slightly more rigorous protocols than some. As your other article points out, gun owners self report having shot someone in self-defense at twice the rate of gunshot wounds treated in hospitals annually. In other words, they're lying at tremendous rates about incidents that are demonstrably false; at what rate then do figure the gun owners surveyed are lying about/exaggerating instances that would leave no evidence? These claims "justify" the need to own a firearm in this case, both politically and personally, in spite of the grave and very real risks of ownership.