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I finally got around to watching Sherlock--

I like it a lot, and I have no idea where the crazy rabid fandom came from. I mean, I can see where people develop obsessions with Sherlock, feeding into that whole "I can get the mysterious loner guy to love meeeeeee", and I do see the ship "the mysterious loner guy loves someoooooone", it's just... crazy fandom.

Honestly, though, I don't understand why anyone would *honestly* want Sherlock to be with anyone. He would be a good boyfriend, and if he was, it would kind of run counter to what makes him interesting in the first place.

Some headcanon him as asexual, some as aromantic. There are a lot of awesome John/Sherlock fics. In one dic, Watch on His Wrist (?), John thinks that being with Sherlock is too intense and he needs breaks to normalcy, which I think is an interesting detail.

People read fics for all sort of reasons, some just get the gist of a character and run with it toward whatever interpretation they prefer, never looking back to canon.

btw, I ship Mystrade.

I'm not sure if I give him a particular sexuality, it just seems to me that he's just not the kind of guy that wants really

There was this one moment, in the Hounds episode, when Sherlock gives John some tea with sugar, which he doesn't like, but watches him drink it carefully. I interpreted it as him hoping John would like something, which surprised me, and seemed odd, but I thought it was cute...of course, later it's revealed he was watching him that way because he was hoping he was drugging him.

Which, to me, kind of encapsulates why I get people ship them, but also why I don't think it really is a good ship (for my own personal criteria; I understand people would like it for the exact reasons why I don't): anything romantic or loving would seem really out of place.

The tea moment nicely illustrates your point.) He said he's sorry after that?

In fic Sherlock is nicer, sometimes he even buys milk. And as someone said - nothing feels better than being loved by someone who hates everybody else.

Sherlock is usually not conventionally romantic, but he's protective and true, interesting and never boring (as well as anoying and difficult). In one fic he said to John that he doesn't care about his health history because if John is sick he wants to catch the same illness, which is a bit obsessive. I think in fic Sherlock's focus shifts from his work to John.

Does he remain an interesting character despite this change? Idk. It's writers' challenge.

I don't know if you watched season 3, there were a lot of plotholes, but, anyway, in 3x03 and in the ep. with the wedding Sherlock went to some trouble for John. I think the creators wanted to show that he'd become a good friend, which is not that far from lover. Sherlock seems to be romantically clueless though.

Edited (grammar) 2014-06-01 22:06 (UTC)

I like it too, and I like it just as the show.

It's not the best show I've ever seen, but it's above average and enjoyable to me.
I don't ship anything in there.

I think I ship Molly x Backbone. God, she makes me feel so bad for her.

Every now and then I think about shipping John/Sherlock, but then the script fucks up or there's a scene that feels like Moffat went:

"LET ME PELT WITH TONS OF INFORMATION AT AN INCREDIBLE SPEED SO THAT YOU FEEL THAT SHERLOCK/I AM A GENIUS."

And then I'm too busy wondering why I wasted my time to ship anyone.

I watched the first episode. Sherlock was a gigantic dick and apparently the London police force is mentally challenged. I didn't watch the other episodes.

Are you talking about the crazy fandom, or people who ship Sherlock with John (or whoever)? Or fans with crushes on Sherlock?

I ship him with John, but I do in any telling of the Sherlock story. In the BBC Sherlock, I like to think of Sherlock as "in love" with John, though in his own, Sherlocky way. It's not canon, but I don't think it's, err, anti-canon either.

I have to say, though, you have a severe misunderstanding of shipping if you think people only ship because they think Character X is good boyfriend material. Most of my ships are fucked up. I like characters with interesting dynamics, not ideal romantic relationships.

I don't know, I guess the people that just desperately, desperately ship John and Sherlock together. I just don't get where the rabidness comes from. I get the ship; I just don't understand what about it drives some people up the wall.

It's not that I think people only ship because of that, but it seems most of the material I've seen wants to Sherlock to be with SOMEONE (not just John, but Irene or Molly too) in a non-fucked up way, and I don't see why characters like John or Irene or Molly deserve someone like Sherlock.

Sherlock would be a good boyfriend? Were we watching the same series?

Judging by context, I think AYRT meant "wouldn't".

Yeah, I missed a -n't at the end of that. He wouldn't be a good boyfriend. You can kind of tell that's what I meant by context clues, because the next part talks about that if he *was* portrayed as a good boyfriend, he wouldn't be the same character.

Given the context, pretty sure that was a typo with "not" left out.

It's interesting, because I think Irene/Sherlock is canon and it makes the characters x1000 blander than they would be if that ship weren't a thing. I would -love- for Sherlock to be an aromantic-asexual, but he just sounds like a heterosexual with issues.

Which makes me curious, what is it that you find 'makes him interesting in the first place'? Is it still there despite Irene? Or does Irene not count because she's not technically a girlfriend of his?

(admittedly I just find shipping&romance boring - but when it comes to Sherlock, I don't think shipping defeats the purpose because the creators of the show defeated their own purpose already).

I guess I just didn't see it as being particularly romantic. I guess what I saw was two arrogant people who were enchanted by the idea of someone else equally as arrogant seeing them as the sole 'exception'. They felt special.

In any case, though, since they never seem to interact as romantic partners, you never see Sherlock have to acknowledge if there IS a part of him like that, so his character never really changes.

i think that the majority of the attraction for me (and a lot of the writers i know) was more about how fucked up john was. i genuinely think he's the more interesting character of the two because he's better at disguising it.

i think, as with most fandoms/characters, you kind of either get it or you don't and it's totally fine either way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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