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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-06-01 03:54 pm

[ SECRET POST #2707 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2707 ⌋

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SPOILERS REALLY

(Anonymous) 2014-06-01 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't seen it, but I've heard that: Philip is indeed useless, Maleficent isn't really evil, she's just a ~woman scorned~, and that the true love's kiss that wakes Aurora is Maleficent's (Not in a romantic way, in a motherly way, i think) Aurora then helps Maleficent MURDER HER FATHER, and she goes off and lives with her, becoming the queen of the faeries and the humans. So much do not want. First with that Wizard of Oz movie and now this, why can't evil women be evil for their own enjoyment? Why does it always have to be irrational hatred for getting their hearts broken? Jesus.
iceyred: By singlestar1990 (Default)

Re: SPOILERS REALLY

[personal profile] iceyred 2014-06-01 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
For real. Old School Disney villianesses were evil for the sake of being evil. Maleficent, Ursula, Lady Tremaine, Cruella, Wicked Queen, they were all good at being bad. It's much better characterization than 'oh noes mah heart is broken.'

Re: SPOILERS REALLY

(Anonymous) 2014-06-01 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Especially Maleficent, which is an immortal. Cursing people for feeling snubbed is what they do. Why make her motivation man related! Also, wow, why did they make Steffan evil? He's a great Disney dad, I don't get it.
iceyred: By singlestar1990 (Default)

Re: SPOILERS REALLY

[personal profile] iceyred 2014-06-01 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
He was a great Disney dad. They have an iffy track record with the plethora of dead moms, but they have great dad characters. Imagine, a guy who wants to spend some time with his teenage daughter before sending her down the aisle with a guy she barely knows.

Maleficent was petty and she knew it. It would make sense if there was something else behind her actions, but why does it need to be man/romance related?

Re: SPOILERS REALLY

(Anonymous) 2014-06-02 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
I have to say, as a disabled person, I'm getting so sick of everyone saying she became evil because 'her heart got broken' She becomes evil because he FUCKING CRIPPLED HER. How can so many people have gone to the bathroom at the same crucial time? It's the only explanation for it I can come up with - no one could have seen him drug her and rip her wings off with burning iron and think she should have been and was fine with it.

Re: SPOILERS REALLY

(Anonymous) 2014-06-02 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
They're not mutually exclusive events though. She turned down a dark path because her lover maimed her and broke her heart and trust with this act of betrayal. I neither think anyone believes she should've been fine with it or the fact of your disability has any bearing here.

Re: SPOILERS REALLY

(Anonymous) 2014-06-02 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
My point is if that I had magic and could lash out at a physical manifestation of my disability, I probably would. He didn't just break her heart. He completely disabled her, removing a way she functions. I just feel like people are trying to discredit the film going 'oh meh she just had her pwecious heart broke what a stupid ass reason~' while ignoring the much more prominent and salient reason they offer for her behavior - the taking of her wings. The adding of the True Love caveat to the curse is meant to be petty and spiteful and hurt him, but the fact that she's doing the cursing at all has less to do with that and everything to do with her wings and THAT betrayal.

Re: SPOILERS REALLY

(Anonymous) 2014-06-02 05:23 am (UTC)(link)
It's because they made a point about 'true love', Maleficent adding that aspect of 'true love' to the curse, talking about how Maleficent loved him right before he crippled her, etc. They could have just been friends, but it was the obvious decision to make it about love and betrayal.

Re: SPOILERS REALLY

(Anonymous) 2014-06-02 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I accidentally added my response to this comment to the one above it, oops. My point is I think that boiling it down to love and betrayal completely ignores the actual reason, in my eyes, that she goes evil. Yes, he broke her heart, but she doesn't erupt into dark magic over that - it's the fact that someone she loved and trusted has physically disabled her that makes her go over the edge. Yes, later, she uses the love aspect as a call back to his betrayal during the curse, but that doesn't mean it's the reason she turned evil. It was a cheap, petty shot at him that she knew he'd understand, but no one else does. She doesn't want to publicly blast the real reason - the wings (she never mentions her wings to anyone again until Aurora asks and she says she doesn't want to talk about it).

Re: SPOILERS REALLY

(Anonymous) 2014-06-02 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
OP--Yeah, it was kind of a weird ending. I mean, they establish that the fairies don't need a ruler, but Maleficent evilly decides to be one...so why is Aurora taking that spot? For what purpose? She can't help protect the fairies, and she can't really rule them...I don't get it. And I don't see what good she'd do ruling over the humans. I mean, maybe if she marries Phillip ASAP he can teach her a thing or two about ruling, but still.

And the father thing was bizarre. She goes from being "Daddy! *sparkle sparkle*" to being totes cool with him dying.