[ SECRET POST #2707 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2707 ⌋

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Comments

Re: What Big Deals (or wanks) have been going on in fandom spaces outside this community recently?

[(Anonymous)]

this is the only time he's done anything remotely untoward with her

Except for those rape jokes he cavalierly chucked at her while he was working with Cora, you mean.

I haven't seen this blow up any where, but I'd be happy for some fucking backlash against this character. /still bitter about being attacked right left and center for being uncomfortable with him

Re: What Big Deals (or wanks) have been going on in fandom spaces outside this community recently?

[writerserenyty]

Anything other than the "when I jab you with my sword" thing? Because I'm not entirely certain that was intended to mean what people think he meant.

Idk, like be wary about him, ESPECIALLY past!Hook, but I've seen a lot of people give him shit when not caring about Regina or Rumple's shit. Even though Regina canonically raped Graham for years and years.

Re: What Big Deals (or wanks) have been going on in fandom spaces outside this community recently?

[(Anonymous)]

He said something about her being on her back and, yes, the sword-jabbing thing, which is definitely a sexual innuendo towards a woman he is actively trying to hurt, so it's hard for me to see it as anything but that. At best, he is a Nice Guy for me, and I can't stand him. He was also really inappropriate with Belle on at least two occasions - he uses sexual innuendo as an intimidation tactic, and that IS rape culture, so welp.

I don't have a high opinion of Regina, because she is a confirmed rapist, abuser, and killer, and while Rumpelstiltskin is my favorite character, I have no illusions over his own goodness (but he isn't a rapist and has never made a rape joke, either). I don't like the 'but no one who hates Hook ever complains about anyone else!' argument because that's not true at all and it completely sidetracks from Hook's skeeviness by making the conversation about other people.

Re: What Big Deals (or wanks) have been going on in fandom spaces outside this community recently?

[writerserenyty]

Both of those statements aren't good. Hook hasn't always been a good guy. However, he's definitely grown as a person. I don't think he comes across as a Nice Guy, though. He generally backed off from Emma when he said he would, and when he could have been like "I sold the Jolly Roger for you, you totally owe me sex" he didn't. He had so many opportunities to be worse, but he wasn't.

Idk, it's just been frustrating because there are a fair number of people who have been all up on Hook for these things, when at the same time they're defending Regina and Rumple. It's not everybody; there are people who complain about them all.

Rumple isn't a rapist, but I really lost all respect when he lied to Belle and then they got married, under relatively false pretenses. He has fucked up that relationship so much. He manipulated things so that she would go with him, he kept her essentially to himself when the curse broke, and he's consistently lied and deceived her. I'm also not entirely unconvinced that him killing Milah wasn't domestic violence. I don't like Milah very much, and I think her leaving Baelfire was reprehensible. However, Rumple killing her the way he did was iffy.

I have no illusions that Hook has always been a good guy. I barely liked him until this season. However, I see a lot of people sweep Regina and Rumple's really iffy relationships under the rug. I don't think Hook's above criticism, but I find the number of people who, for example, excuse Regina as a rapist astounding.