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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-06-05 06:46 pm

[ SECRET POST #2711 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2711 ⌋

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nyxelestia: Rose Icon (Default)

Steve is all about orders until he isn't.

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-06-06 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
He'll respect that someone else might have more knowledge, clearance, other plans, etc. and go along with them because he understands the idea of being a part of a bigger picture. But he is not an "ends justify the means" kind of guy, so if the 'means' (aka orders) are wrong, then hell yes he'll go against them.

He'll commit to whatever course of action he chooses, whether it's following orders or going against them. Once he sees that something is wrong, he'll go all out to make things right again - but he is also understandably cautious about simply haring off and declaring someone or something "wrong" and working against them. Up to a certain extent and in their own ways, both Fury and Pierce/HYDRA are extremes of that mentality - they are what happens when "fuck the rules, I'm doing what (I think) is right!" is taken too far. So Steve does try to play by the rules first, and is cautious about going against them. But that doesn't mean he sees them as the be-all, end-all, or that he won't acknowledge that sometimes orders are just wrong for either tactical reasons or moral ones.

In all three movies he's been in, when he sees something wrong, he'll first try and take care of it the legal and "right" way. It's only when that doesn't work or things just get too far out of hand that he'll work outside or even against the system if necessary.
tenlittlebullets: (steve rogers)

Re: Steve is all about orders until he isn't.

[personal profile] tenlittlebullets 2014-06-06 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods* And I like the way that caution was framed in CA:TWS--as trust. Giving people the benefit of the doubt by default, but also even before the big conspiracy plot kicks in, he's mouthing off to Fury about the importance of institutional trust and trustworthiness. He's already suspicious of SHIELD because he's picked up on the lack of good faith between the people giving the orders and the people acting on them; he understands the power of institutions and the importance of being part of a bigger picture, which is why he refuses to stick with the program when he can feel an organization like SHIELD starting to go off the rails.

DA

(Anonymous) 2014-06-06 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Which leads to his wonderful rebellion in front of Pierce.

"I'm sorry. [Don't trust anyone] were his last words and that includes you"

At least, that's how I read it. It seems others didn't, which makes me wonder if I'm doing it wrong. It felt very "fuck you" to me.