[ SECRET POST #2713 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2713 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/VdVHjP2.png

[(Anonymous)]

Who is this character?

[comradesmiler]

I'm assuming the source is Coupling.

op

[(Anonymous)]

It's Lynda Day from Press Gang. Series 1-3 are amazing and well worth seeing although the last two series were patchy.

Never saw Coupling.

Re: op

[comradesmiler]

Ah right, sorry.

[(Anonymous)]

Because Sherlock, Doctor Who and Coupling are the only things Moffat has ever written, right.

[(Anonymous)]

People are complicated. This is what a lot of conversations about social justice get wrong to me: they want to come to a final answer about whether or not someone is an awful woman-hating misogynist or an evil imperialist racist who we can ignore and hate and scorn and strike with whips. Moffat does a lot of bad stuff and has a lot of bad attitudes. He's also done some good stuff. It's not actually that weird for those things to coexist. It's the black-and-white attitude that makes it seems that way.

[(Anonymous)]

This is basically it. It's a lot easier, and more satisfying, to see people who do problematic things or hold problematic views as being cardboard cut-out villains. But that's not how it actually works, and pretending that it does isn't actually all that helpful in the end.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes.

And, beyond that, fandom seems to want everyone, especially all fictional characters, to be the exactly the same, to tick all the right SJ boxes, to be 'redeemed', regardless of the part they play in the story... It's like Hollywood's insistence on making everyone's teeth uniformly straight, but applied to personality traits.

[(Anonymous)]

The dude made one good thing, doesn't mean he's not still a horrible person. That's the problem with a lot of creative people out there, they can make really amazing things when they get it right, but the rest of the time they can be the worst of the worst.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't believe you're calling him a horrible person just because his writing is problematic. Wow.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not based on his writing, it's based on his personality and things he has said in interviews and his opinions.

[(Anonymous)]

Think you're overreacting a tad. Do you know him personally? I'm not sure you can label him a "horrible person" if you don't.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I don't know him personally but I've read a lot of his interviews and his thoughts are pretty horrible. So I'll stand by my horrible person opinion.

[intrigueing]

Just because a person writes a lot of really offensive crap, doesn't mean everything he writes is automatically offensive/bad. It's really weird when people say "this guy is totally problematic because that one storyline was sort of sexist/ethnocentric/whatever even though a lot of the others were very sensitive" OR "this guy's stuff is totally not problematic because he wrote one thing that was cool and not offensive." People don't have monolithic wisdom.

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ia.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

It's easy: things aren't black and white, no matter if the internet social justice warriors like to present them that way.

Well, OP...

[(Anonymous)]

It's not impossible. Rabid Moffat haters aside, he's not actually evil incarnate. He doesn't despise women. He's just your run of the mill clueless dude who believes he loves women but isn't very good at seeing them as people... but he's got a lot more clout and media exposure than your average clueless dude.

Guys like that... they aren't the devil. Sometimes they can get a clue and improve. Sometimes something will happen (a bad relationship, a disappointing love life) and they go all full fledged MRA on your ass. Moffat just grinds along churning out his disappointing female characters because he's so successful that his success confirms in his mind that he's right and there's nothing wrong with the way he does things so he doesn't have to change.

Once in a while, a guy like this might get it right.

Re: Well, OP...

[(Anonymous)]

This.

Re: Well, OP...

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, exactly.

Re: Well, OP...

[(Anonymous)]

this

and also, he is not a good writer

or at least not a good showrunner

[(Anonymous)]

This is exactly my feeling too, OP. Lynda remains one of my absolute favourite fictional characters ever, and Press Gang is so well written. I understand the criticisms Moffat gets for his more recent work and interviews, but it's so hard to begrudge him when he almost single handedly built one of the most important characters and shows in my world.

op

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty much my exact feelings. My fan friends seem to either worship or hate Moffat and I struggle with some aspects of his work (mainly the all white male writer huddy thing though) but really can't buy into him being a misogynist because of this. I wonder if his divorce contributed to Press Gang series 4 and 5 being so patchy.

[(Anonymous)]

If you listen to the DVD commentaries you'll find out that he went through a pretty nasty divorce halfway through making Press Gang so maybe that partly contributed to the change in his later writing.