[ SECRET POST #2714 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2714 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Sort of in relation to that, I don't think there's as big a double standard between what fans love (or forgive/excuse/woobify) in male characters and hate in female characters. There's a rant (guess where) about how people love "gritty" male antiheroes who do seriously morally dubious things but hate female characters for simply making normal human errors... but how many female antiheroes are there in proportion to male ones? And the ones who exist are not hated, they're pretty much considered badass. And people hate male characters for making normal human mistakes too, especially if they're the male version of the designated love interest who doesn't do much else. Again, male versions of that type of character just don't exist as often.

If writers gave equal types of roles to both genders, I think the supposed double standard in fandom would lessen by a lot.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, agreed. It's not always comparable at all. Sure, I've been in positions where I don't like the female love interest, and I do like the slash pairing (gasp, I know). But I don't dislike her because she gets in the way of the pairing, I dislike her because she seems like nothing more than "the love interest" with no agency of her own.

Not to mention, there are always fewer female characters to choose from in the first place. Out of all my favorite shows, games, etc. - the men always out number the women, unless it's specifically a "girl's show".

I don't like characters that are obsessed with romance at wholly inappropriate times, for example, and that's often how female characters are written. There are amazing female characters out there, don't get me wrong, but I really feel that a lot of them have significantly less effort put into them than their male counterparts.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

But I don't dislike her because she gets in the way of the pairing, I dislike her because she seems like nothing more than "the love interest" with no agency of her own.

But if that "love interest with no agency of her own" was a guy, you (and the fandom) would be all over it.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

You mean if the character he was a love interest for was also a guy, or if the main was a girl with a shallow male love interest?

Either way... not me. A boring character is a boring character.

Also for an off-the-top-of-my-head example of the latter: Sailor Moon. Tuxedo Mask is a shallow male love interest, and everyone in the fandom either dislikes or ignores him.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

lol oh really, would I? weird how you know me so well.

How many male characters are in that position in the first place? Seriously.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[ariakas]

The BSSM fandom's complete disinterest in and at times complete disdain for Mamoru debunks your assertion entirely.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

This is exactly the case when I end up shipping a slash pairing instead of the canon het pairing: I don't dislike the female character because I ship the slash pairing, I'm shipping the slash pairing BECAUSE I dislike the female character in the first place or because I feel the pairing has no chemistry/the characters aren't good for each other.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I find this reason for shipping more obnoxious than hating a character because they get in the way of your ship. At least with that, the hate for the character comes out of preexisting love for the ship. If you only ship something to spite a fictional character you hate, and not because you really like the other two characters together, why bother?

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I never said anything like that. It has nothing to do with wanting to spite the character and everything to do with thinking the other two characters have more chemistry together. I ship plenty of non-canon het pairings for the same reason.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

The thing with antiheroes for me is, for most (not all, mind but a lot) male antiheroes the series is aware that the hero is not a good person, whereas it seems like with female characters the writers are so desperate to show what a strong or great female character they've written that they seem more likely write a female character doing morally ambiguous things but continue to treat the character like a perfect always right saint, which gets annoying. I like characters who fuck up. Let your female characters fuck up, writers. Acknowledge in your canon that they have fucked up. Don't have them fuck up and treat it like no, they totally meant to do that, it was totally the right thing to do.