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fandomsecrets2014-06-09 06:46 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2715 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2715 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Tales of Innocence]
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[Transamerica]
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[Final Fantasy VIII]
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[Interview with the Vampire]
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[Andrew Lloyd Webber]
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[Critical Miss]
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[Great British Menu/Emily Watkins]
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[Mike Malinin, Goo Goo Dolls]
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[Pacific Rim]
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[Star Trek TNG]
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[Homestuck]
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[The Man From Nowhere]
Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 058 secrets from Secret Submission Post #388.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: Movies/books/shows you're supposed to like but don't?
Re: Movies/books/shows you're supposed to like but don't?
(Anonymous) 2014-06-10 07:18 am (UTC)(link)Do you mean horrible as in horrible people, or horrible as in Tolstoi doesn't write women very well?
I like the female characters in W&P (pretty much all of them) but sometimes I think they're good characters in spite of their author's ideas about them.
(it's ok if you think they're terrible, though; I'm not trying to start a Tolstoi fight)
Re: Movies/books/shows you're supposed to like but don't?
It's like Tolstoi writes in two separate categories: people and women, IMHO. Maybe it's because the first thing I saw opening the book is Natasha 'listened to him as a woman should. Not like a smart woman retaining information, but like a woman who gets everything he expresses, without interrupting him' (not an exact quote). Or the wife in Anna Karenina who couldn't leave her husband, and packed and unpacked for days. Something about all this grates on my nerves like it didn't before when I first read it.
However W and P is famous for believable, living and breathing characters, and it's great that you liked them. At the very least you'll get hours of enjoyable reading out of it.
Re: Movies/books/shows you're supposed to like but don't?
(Anonymous) 2014-06-10 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)That thing you're talking about is real and I don't blame you at all for hating it. imo Tolstoi is really good at creating believable characters and really bad about trying to cram his believable, complex characters into dumbass sermons about Real True Pure and Good Womanhood and The True Purpose of the Family or whatever.
So I often feel the illusion that he's just wrong about his characters, that they have lives of their own that he's failed to fully understand. For me, the douchey misogyo-narration adds to the illusion of depth and reality, because it gives the characters, who already seem like real people, the additional realistic quality of being misunderstood. So eyerolling the narrator is like a secondary pleasure for me that enhances the first.
Which I realize is a pretty convoluted way of liking a thing with problems, but it's just what happened in my head. Getting annoyed is probably the more rational response.
(and I think there may be actually three categories: people, women, and peasants, but that's a tale for another day)
Re: Movies/books/shows you're supposed to like but don't?