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⌈ Secret Post #2716 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Respectfully, No.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

And I am asking you to point out an example where tighter restrictions on access to guns and created a flow-through effect that has meant fewer people sought help for mental illness. Because, believe me, the US isn't the only place in the world where there is a stigma against mental illness. In fact, I can't really think of any country that doesn't have a stigma against mental illness of some sort, and I think the levels of stigma would be quite similar amongst English speaking countries.

Also, I replaced your 'breaching a patient's privacy' with 'conducting mental health history checks' because that seemed to be the most likely thing you meant by your general statement. But now I don't know whether you meant that at all.

So yeah, come back with a specific example of a hypothetical breach of privacy in regard to this issue (like, say, an actual gun restriction system that the US could possibly model itself on) and some kind of evidence that supports your theory that this will cause people to not seek help for their mental problems and/or not get jobs and whatever else you think the effects might be, and we can talk.

Re: Respectfully, No.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I'm not interested in having a scholarly debate with you. If casual conversation isn't enough for you, look elsewhere. But, as far as I know, you can't do "mental health checks" WITHOUT breaching somebody's privacy.

If I want to buy a rifle or a shotgun, it's nobody's fucking business if I go to therapy that could be for an eating disorder or it could be because I'm crazy as fuck, which is why tying gun ownership to a mental health check doesn't fly here.

Re: Respectfully, No.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, that's cool. I just think it's important to be able to support your opinions on an issue with evidence, if your opinion is one a lot of people use to argue against an issue as big and important as gun control laws. Also to know exactly what and how the rights you are talking about are being breached, and whether the proposal is actually as egregious as you think.

I know you're not interested in continuing the debate, but just because I happened to look it up for my reply to another anon, these are the types of personal questions that are asked when you apply for a gun license in Australia (in this case, in NSW), with the section relevant to mental health bolded. FYI.

H. PERSONAL HISTORY - You MUST complete this section - Mark an 'X' in one box for each question
Have you in NSW or elsewhere;
a) Been refused or prohibited from holding a firearms licence or permit or had a firearms licence or permit suspended, cancelled or revoked?
b) Are you currently subject to a Good Behaviour Bond for an offence referred to in question e) or an Interim Apprehended Violence Order?
c) Been, or are presently, subject to a firearms/weapons prohibition order, other than an order that has been revoked?
d) Have you ever attempted suicide or self harm, or in the past 12 months been referred or treated for alcoholism, drug dependence, or a mental or nervous disorder or illness?
e) Within the last 10 years, been convicted of an offence involving firearms or weapons, prohibited drugs/plants, fraud/dishonesty/stealing, prescribed restricted substances, terrorism, violence, robbery, organised criminal groups and recruitment, or an offence of a sexual nature?
f) Within the last 10 years been the subject of a Apprehended Violence Order (other than an order which was revoked) or an injunction ordered by the Family Court?

Your declaration on these questions is then checked by the police, and your license is either granted or denied.

You may think that these questions are a step too far and breach of a potential gun owner's privacy. I personally do not.