[ SECRET POST #2718 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2718 ⌋

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Might be another 12 am day. Response time will be slow, sorry.

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Comments

[feotakahari]

There's a pretty big difference between believing in something unprovable and believing in something that's been proven false. Especially in cases where the proven false belief is getting people killed. The only way you could really compare them would be to compare religious practices that get people killed (like snake-handling), and even that's a bit of a stretch.

[diet_poison]

There's a pretty big difference between believing in something unprovable and believing in something that's been proven false.

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[(Anonymous)]

There's a pretty big difference between believing in something unprovable and believing in something that's been proven false.

+1 You said that much more concisely than I could've!

[(Anonymous)]

There's a pretty big difference between believing in something unprovable and believing in something that's been proven false.

I just want to repeat this again, because it's so true and succinct.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a pretty big difference between believing in something unprovable and believing in something that's been proven false.

Yes, I agree with that. Especially when it comes to a subject like science.

Having said that, there are scientists who believe in something so vehemently they will ignore everything that goes against their belief. And especially in this case with that large part of scaremongering, I can see why a parent would make that decision.

It's not rational, no. But really, if a lot of people were being rational about it, they wouldn't have children in the first place.

[sarillia]

Are people calling her a moron over this? I thought they were just saying that she's wrong about this one thing. I agree, being wrong about one thing doesn't make you stupid. Everyone is wrong about some things. But it is a matter of facts and not one of beliefs like you're trying to make it out to be.

[(Anonymous)]

there's no credible research that supports the idea of a supreme being

there's your difference - there's no way to prove or disprove the existence of god, but there is a ton of evidence supporting the use of vaccines. if something can ONLY be discussed via feelings and anecdotal evidence, then have what beliefs you want. that doesn't fly for something that has its grounds in science.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a really good point.

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ayrt

i totes understand being distracted and not thinking enough before posting! no need for excoriation. :)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if you should be excoriated but I think the reasons people are coming after you is that your initial response seemed to be saying that her position was valid and defensible in a way that you don't think it is.

You also kind of just picked a bad issue to make this your test case on b/c it's one where there is a side that's demonstrably right and demonstrably wrong. Also kind of a hot button issue on the Internet right now.

It happens to us all. :)

[nyxelestia]

I said some stuff that was really terrible in hindsight due to thinking that responding to certain comments when I'm running on too much sleep deprivation is a good idea. :P

The reason why people are miffed is this: most political debates boil down to a disagreement of priorities, and which facts are important. We generally don't debate about the facts themselves. But the vaccine movement is a debate about the facts themselves, not which facts are relevant or about a moral issue/an issue where facts are irrelevant. In other words, it is a genuinely scientific debate that is being treated like a moral one, when it isn't and we have proof.

[(Anonymous)]

No, but people generally acknowledge that religion and matters of spiritual faith are not appropriate matters for application of scientific method.

"Is God real?" is not a testable question.
"Are vaccines safe in such and such way?" IS a testable question, and HAS been tested, and evaluated, and subject to scrutiny, and there is NO credible evidence whatsoever supporting anti-vaxxers as to the general population (i.e., barring allergies, etc.).

Basically, you're mixing apples and oranges in order to throw some kind of moral support behind a woman who knows better as demonstrated by having a freaking doctorate degree in a medical science field. Someone with those kind of credentials will get zero patience from me if they're anti-vaccination. There's no excuse for it.