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fandomsecrets2014-06-12 06:40 pm
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Re: playing with balls
Like, it's one thing to say that sports are not inherently beautiful; this is obviously subjective. But the idea that sports cannot be beneficial to society in anything more than the most superficial way, or that they are nothing more than structured play - I think that these are claims that have to be treated as objective claims. These are matters of fact. The problem is that all the ways in which sports could be beneficial to society, and all the ways in which sports are something more than structured play, stem from the fact that they are enjoyed in that way, and enjoyed legitimately.
And I think this is the reason why it seems to me like you don't accept that other people like sports. Because you accept it as a fact, but you deny every consequence of the fact. If it's fine for some people to enjoy sports and for others not to enjoy sports, if it's true that there is some beauty that some see in sports even if you can't see it, it should follow from this that it does have value, that it is more than structured play. It is more than structured play because some people treat it as more than structured play. It has value because some people see beauty and meaning in it, in the same way that they see beauty and meaning in whatever form of the arts you care to mention. And you're denying those consequences. That's why I say that you think it's impossible to enjoy sport as a spectator - because you don't grant any legitimacy to it or accept the validity of that enjoyment. It's not subjective if you think that someone else's view is wrong and should be ignored. That's not what subjective means. You may not understand the value, but you can see the value that other people place on it.
And the thing is that you can make the argument that we should care less about sports, and that the system as a whole is harmful, and that we shouldn't spend so much money on multi-million dollar stadiums, without making the argument that it's wholly without value. You can say sports is valued too much without saying it has no value. There are plenty of sports fans who do make those arguments. I'd agree with a lot of it myself. But then there's all this other stuff about how kicking a ball around is useless and pointless and we should tear down all the stadiums, or whatever, and that's a different thing. It's frustrating.
Sorry for late reply and all that!