[ SECRET POST #2721 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2721 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you when referring to mainstream media (Rocky, etc.), but not so much when it comes to the fandom spaces, where it definitely is horrible abuse, and yet is still seen as sexy (I'm thinking Theon Greyjoy at the moment).

[intrigueing]

I think that people still parse fandom abuse of men in the same way they parse Rocky-type violence, though, because the character's maleness trumps his situation. Like "he's male, and he's getting beaten up, therefore it's sexy irregardless of the situation" rather than "this guy is getting beaten up, the situation is abusive, therefore it's wrong irregardless of his gender." I *think* that's the way my lizard-brain always interprets it, no matter what my higher faculties tell me. People very, very frequently get correlation and causation subconsciously mixed up, and not just in fiction. It's irrational, but a lot of people's likes and dislikes are. ;)

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT. Really? Is this true? I haven't seen GOT, so this is all based on the books but Theon and Ramsay in the books really doesn't seem like Rocky-type violence to me at all. There's an explicitly sexual component to Ramsay's abuse, which I assume is not present in the whole "stoic dude getting beaten up" thing, and Theon suffers and is completely broken mentally/emotionally by it. To me it seems to come out of a separate turn-on tied up in a dominance/submission kink than it is at all related to the manly man fantasy.

I'm not in MCU or SPN fandom, but I feel like the way people like to see their favorites get abused and hurt/comforted and whumped has some aspects of that stoicness but also indulging in seeing their favorite at their most helpless and vulnerable. Anyway, pretty interesting topic -- I'm enjoying reading these comments.