[ SECRET POST #2722 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2722 ⌋

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Comments

[philstar22]

That is how it plays out in the book, though. On the show she clearly says no over and over and clearly doesn't want to have sex. In the book it was questionable and given the nature of their relationship most likely consensual. In the show, though, the way they wrote it, there was clearly no consent.

[sarillia]

I still think it was questionable in the book. I know her big objection was "not here" and not that she didn't want to do it at all, but consent is meaningless if you get to pick and choose which objections are valid or not.

[philstar22]

I agree that it was questionable. I personally think there was ultimately consent, but it can easily be read both ways. Not on the show, though. There was never even a single thing that could possibly suggest consent. Only her continuing to say no and him ignoring it.

That's my problem. Which, come to think of it, is the same problem I have with the first Dany/Drogo sex scene, though for different reasons. In both cases they take a scene that is more nuanced (in the books, the Dany/Drogo scene is clearly rape because she's too young to consent and because she doesn't even realize she can say know, but the fact that Drogo actually asked and she said yes makes the scene more interestingly nuanced than the show's version).

Basically, the show took the complications out of the scenes and made a scene that is clearly rape. In this case, though, they refuse to acknowledge that it is rape which makes it a whole lot worse.

[sarillia]

In some ways I prefer the less nuanced show versions of both those things just because I find the arguments about how it was perfectly consensual in the books really disturbing and frustrating. Just to be clear, I'm not accusing you of doing that, but I've seen it a lot. There are still people arguing that it's not rape in the show, but there are fewer people on their side.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, GRRM posted in his blog that it was consensual in the book. Her concern was the time and place, but she did want him.