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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-06-22 04:03 pm

[ SECRET POST #2728 ]


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[personal profile] crunchysunrises 2014-06-23 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, I'm kind of over this vegetarianism convo, to be honest. It was fun at first but, frankly, we're not going to agree and the last bit soured me on it all.

I actually really appreciated the explanation about Orthodox Judaism. It's not something that I encounter a lot. (I also admit that I pretty much assumed it was a religious thing without knowing what faith the actress was. Conditioning, I suppose.)

While it's not my brand of faith, as I understand it, it's all encompassing. Like, if you get bitten by a poisonous snake, your limb rotting off or you dying of the venom is a sign of not having enough faith. If your child develops cancer, it's to the faith healers, not the children's cancer ward.

(Of course, in cases involving minors, the state usually steps in to force medical treatment for the child, assuming that someone bothers to inform the state that this is going on. It's all around sad because everyone is genuinely trying to do what they think is best (and usually fighting viciously) for a very sick kid who doesn't need any sort of extra stress just then. But if the state didn't intervene, the kid wouldn't survive, so it's unavoidable. And I'd imagine that sort of situation would be hard on (or possibly the death of) that sort of extreme faith, but I don't really know.)
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[personal profile] ketita 2014-06-23 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
I respect that (and you're right, we won't agree, and there's nothing wrong with that). I just apologize for being overly aggressive and leaving you with a bad taste over it all.

Hmm, okay, I guess I can see where they're coming from (though I do disagree). I suppose the theological issue I see with that view is that if so, we shouldn't give to charity either, because obviously if God wants people to have money, He will provide. And yet we're supposed to help others, therefore that's a philosophical basis for not everything being down to just faith...

I'm not sure if for example the death of the child would be the death of the faith for everybody. I think often extreme faith like that comes with coping mechanisms/explanations for that sort of situation.

Once again, I do apologize, and I hope we'll be able to have interesting and productive conversations in the future.
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[personal profile] crunchysunrises 2014-06-23 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
Oh hey, no problem. I can be overly aggressive too (and do the bad taste thing too) so I totally get it. Don't worry! I'm not upset!

I... don't actually know if they do charity. I mean, I'd assume so, but that's based more on my own life experiences. I don't actually know.

I agree that it might not be the death knell for everyone, but I think it might be for some. (Saving the child through modern medicine might be equally faith-rocking, though.)

But I think every faith has its zealots that make the rest of the practitioners sigh and hide their faces.

Don't worry! (Or alternatively, apology accepted? Whichever would make you happier.) We'll probably talk in the future! (The productivity of my replies will probably depend on the topic, though. For instance, I have nothing productive to say about puppies... other than that they're adorable!)