[ SECRET POST #2730 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2730 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/ONYC0Pd.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you in general, but I kind of feel like you're subtweeting the Jaime scene specifically with this, and I don't agree on that specific scene because I think that scene was different from the books.

Sorry if that wasn't your intent.

[(Anonymous)]

OP here - that wasn't my intent. :)

[(Anonymous)]

I was expecting the show to have lots of icky things in it, because yeah, the books do, but my issue is that the longer the show goes on, the more I feel like they're just throwing extra non-book things in for shock value. It's not all thematically relevant things, for example, scenes like Ros's disgusting death and the Jaime/Cersei rape scene.

[iceyred]

"If it offends you stop watching it!"

That is sage advice that nobody is going to take.

FWIW, I agree with you. The tone of that series was pretty obvious when the eight year old got thrown out a window.

[philstar22]

Yes and no. I actually think the sex scenes in the book aren't as blatantly malegazy. Like, we don't have 90% of the sex scenes with the women naked and the men still dressed (though its hard to tell exactly with writing, obviously). And not really sexposition like that scene with the female prostitutes in season 1. And some scenes like the first Dany and Drogo scene and the Jaime/Cersei scene by Joffrey's body were changed completely in ways that destroyed what the scenes actually were in the books (in the former case still rape but saying different things about the characters in the later case dubconny and questionable but still probably consent).

But yes, the books are full of sex and violence and anyone surprised that there is lots of either is probably watching the wrong thing.

[ketita]

Interesting. I personally actually quit the books in part because the sex scenes were too icky for me, but I had a hunch the show was even worse. Good to know I should stay away from it!

[greenvelvetcake]

All of this.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think the books are as bad as the show either, but it doesn't seem like a very popular opinion on tumblr to suggest this. I know, I know... tumblr.

[(Anonymous)]

I found the series to be more blatant than the books, so I simply stopped watching. I didn't make a fuss over it or flounce out of the fandom, I just found something else I liked better. Too bad more people can't do the same.

[(Anonymous)]

Both the books and the show have a lot of rape and violence. The difference is that the books are usually implicity critical of it, showing the damage and hurt and consequences. The show mostly just uses it for shock value, completely missing the point.

[(Anonymous)]

The books also don't dwell on the specifics, they usually just say something like "this character was raped by this character", whereas the show has long, drawn out, graphic rape scenes. That they actually hire porn stars to play out.

[(Anonymous)]

That they actually hire porn stars to play out.

is this true?? i'd never heard that (though admittedly i only started watching recently)

[(Anonymous)]

They hire porn stars quite frequently (Shae's actress being one of them) for the brothel scenes and they apparently had porn stars play Craster's daughters who were all graphically raped on screen.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow I had no idea Shae's actress was a porn star! Learn something new everyday; thanks nonnie!

[(Anonymous)]

That's kind of unfair. She did porn ages ago before her acting career took off. She's a well-respected mainstream actress in Germany now.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm never shocked that there's rape or sexual violence on the show, I'm shocked over how explicit it is and how it's clearly thrown in there for shock value or to titillate neckbeards. The show also has far more useless sex scenes and nudity (which is horribly one sided nudity, as it consists only of naked women for about 90% of the time) than the books ever did.

[miku_hatsune]

there are scenes that add to the worldbuilding (ie- dany amongst the ashes with the newly hatched dragons, the first jaime/cersei scene in the tower), and then there are scenes that are there for no reason other than "oh look, boobies!" (aka the absolutely pointless why was it there lesbian sex scene while littlefinger randomly narrates, the 0.5 seconds of Daario's ass that then cut to 5 minutes of Melisandre in a bath with little water and then walking around naked)

[fauxkaren]

I do think there's a difference between the gritty world the GRRM created and the way that the show seems to almost revel in depictions of sex, violence and sexual violence.

Yes, but there's a difference between written and visual.

[(Anonymous)]

People should expect some of it, but a mention of a fight or a rape is very different from a filmed scene of it. And even for a detailed written account of sex or violence, the visual can be quite different from what someone might be expecting.

Re: Yes, but there's a difference between written and visual.

[(Anonymous)]

this!
Everytime I read "but it was just a sidenote in the books and not explicit" I just want to yell "they have to *show* it because otherwise they'd need a fucking narrator!!" at them. Like how they showed Renly and Loras' relationship. Yeah, it wasn't explicit in the books, but in the show it would have been *invisible* if they hadn't *shown* it.
fucking book nazis.

[(Anonymous)]

I always lol at these shockvalue-comments, but their prevalence recently has me a bit worried.
For instance, I found the Drogo/Dany Scene in the Book really cringeworthy while I loved the show's depiction.
Also, I love how for the first time in my TV-experience, there's actually a nudity count that approximates my life experience (you know, like when I shower, when I have sex, when I dress), and doesn't pull the showercurtain, or a decency cut. That just makes it SO much more realistic and loveable to me. So yeah, I probably would have one reason less to watch it if the nudity wasn't there, but, fuck you, I'm not a neckbeard. (I only grew a bit of hair on my neck during my pregnancy two years ago)
really, I see EVERYONE complaining about all teh evil sex, and just throwing some violence criticism in there to make it seem like it's not because they're prudes. I find that very hard to believe.

sincerely, an adult woman with a healthy self-image and a sex drive that includes homosexual desire, which I don't want to have written off as male-gaze.

[(Anonymous)]

You don't sound like an adult to me.

[(Anonymous)]

The Dany/Drogo scene in the show where Dany clearly never consented and cried and was in pain and hated it was LESS cringeworthy than the still dub-con but at least Drogo was kind to her scene in the books? Okay...

[(Anonymous)]

I think that because of the written story, you don't have to imagine the grand scheme of things, and now when the show puts the "disturbing" stuff on full display, it might seem like a shock because the imagined parts are being visualized without a censor.

(I haven't read the books and I enjoy GoT yay)