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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-06-24 06:41 pm

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ketita: (Default)

Re: Characters You Stan For

[personal profile] ketita 2014-06-25 05:20 am (UTC)(link)
tbh, the gun-elevator thing was tactics, not strategy. We have no major evidence that Armin is any good at strategy at all. Even the thing with capturing Annie was relatively small-time in scale, and he didn't plan it alone. Armin is clever, but imo fandom is kind of off with characterizing him as a brilliant strategist.

Actually, what I think would be interesting is a tactical team-up between Armin and Levi. Levi has the physical abilities to back up a lot of plans, and his spatial skills are outstanding. Armin's got creative ideas that are slightly bigger than a single person; they might work well together.

Though, and this is something I am rather happy about (and kind of alone in): I am happy Armin hasn't been doing crazy battle plans. AoT has enough elements of vague realism that the thought of some tiny 15 year old with a few months of combat experience outthinking soldiers who have been surviving for years against incredible odds? It's the shounen thing, or the YA thing. But not very realistic imo.

Then again, my major gripe is that Isayama doesn't actually know how to write clever plans, so it's not the characters' fault.
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Re: Characters You Stan For

[personal profile] blunderbuss 2014-06-25 06:31 am (UTC)(link)
Haha, I actually had to remember that tactics and strategy are two different things and look them up. You're right, Armin is more tactics than wide-scale strategy like Erwin. Which isn't a bad thing, certainly, but he's not a mini-Erwin.

Some people have made the point that JEAN is a better strategist because he's better at sizing up a situation and acting decisively. It's sad that fandom focuses on Jean's teenage dorkiness than remember that he's just as sharp as Armin.

I agree that the Armin/Levi team-up would be quite terrifying. Everyone is so heavily into Levi/Eren - both shipping and otherwise - that other good combos are forgotten. (Like Levi being close combat while Sasha sniping from long range would be hardcore awesome.)

You've got a good point about Armin shouldn't be better than experiences soldiers. Heck, I think the manga makes the point that one of the major reasons why Levi picked a bunch of trainees for his team is because a massive loss of experienced soldiers. The kids have been through a whole fucking lot but Levi and company have done it for YEARS.

Yeeeaaahh, Isayama is biting off more than he can chew. I don't fault him; making clever plans even as the author is pretty hard and I've only seen a small handful of writers actually pull it off. Even most thriller/mystery films don't quite manage most of the time. The problem is writing clever characters is much harder than writing badass ones.

BTW, considering that we talked about the revolution idea, would you mind if I shot some of my draft ideas your way? I've made good headway on the symbol for the revolution but I'd like some feedback.
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Re: Characters You Stan For

[personal profile] ketita 2014-06-25 06:43 am (UTC)(link)
Considering that I can't even remember if Levi has talked to Armin like... at all, ever, I can kind of forgive fandom for not doing much interaction-wise. I would definitely love more of it, though!
Oooh, Sasha sniping would definitely be awesome. I also would actually like writing some Levi/Jean, or Levi+Jean, but in recent chapters Jean has been so antagonistic towards Levi I'm not sure what to do with it :X

Like I said, it's the shounen/YA thing. We've expected in these genres that everything ultimately is up to the kids who are somehow more talented and carry the hopes on their backs etc. etc. You know who did that right? Ender's Game. Because they made a whole SCHOOL for super-mega-brilliant kids, isolated them from age 10, and did nothing but military and strategic training for years. So there it was believable that they might actually be great commanders despite their age. Here? eh.

You're right. Writing clever plans is hella tough; way more difficult than Rule Of Cool. But I think Isayama is getting better at tactics and battle, so it's a shame he doesn't do more of it.

Ohhhh yes I'd love to see! PM? Email? :DDDDD please shoot them my way!
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Re: Characters You Stan For

[personal profile] blunderbuss 2014-06-25 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
I'd argue that being in the Scouting Legion is the ultimate baptism of fire, where you either get good or you get dead. So I allow a little bit of leeway for the kids to be pretty talented alongside the adults. But otherwise I agree; in fact it's one of my most hated cliche tropes, especially in anime. God forbid they have main characters over 21.

Either PM or email is fine! Now I actually have to get off my butt and finish the draft for the symbol. I should be done tonite or tomorrow (but then I'm Aussie time, so :P)