[ SECRET POST #2732 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2732 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

How is Ramsay humanized exactly? He's still a bloke who tortures people for no particular reason and hunts and kills women... he just does it with a woman who also happens to be a complete sociopath as well.

[(Anonymous)]

The show makes it seem like he's doing it for Roose's approval or has daddy issues, when all Ramsay really wants is power. Also, turning a hulking, misogynist, ugly manchild who ritualistically hunts and rapes every innocent woman he comes across into a charming, attractive, sociable guy who has a girlfriend and never rapes or preys on anyone innocent seems like humanizing to me. Or toned down, if you want to be pedantic.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed on the daddy issues (although his torture of Theon wasn't for Roose) but I don't find him particularly attractive or charming. Just because he's constantly grinning doesn't make him less awful. And as for:

never rapes or preys on anyone innocent

Whut? What about that girl he hunted? (Not the one who helped castrate Theon.) The Ironborn to whom he promised mercy and whom he flayed instead? (Not that they were totally innocent but they'd agreed to surrender peacefully.) Even with Theon - clearly he's no innocent and not a terribly good person by any means, but it's obvious Ramsay doesn't torture him for the crimes he's committed, but only because it amuses him.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm looking at this from a show watcher's perspective though. From what I've seen, the fandom doesn't give a shit about Theon or the Ironborn and think the blonde woman he hunted was Violet (the one who was with Myranda when Theon got castrated, not exactly innocent). These are the only notches under his belt at this point. And A LOT of Tumblr fangirls think he's dreamy because he's played by Simon, and he really does come off as more wacky than terrifying.

Meanwhile, when we're introduced to book Ramsay, he: had raped and left Lady Hornwood to starve to death, was there with Theon in Winterfell and came up with the notion of killing those boys, ended up flaying said boys himself, killed Ser Rodrick, captured all the women in Winterfell to hunt and rape later, and burnt everyone else there alive. He's also not particularly competent or skilled at fighting, whereas show Ramsay is a skilled archer who can take on Ironborn head-to-head without even wearing a shirt.

I just don't understand why they've altered his character so much. I don't even like Ramsay, it's just making him some badass, likable, pretty boy rubs me the wrong way.

[(Anonymous)]

Ok admittedly I haven't see the newer seasons but all I know of this guy is that he hunted at least one woman and tortured and cut off a man's penis neither of those make him a nice or good guy. But serial killers often have lovers and many have women who they either control into helping them or they go along with it. It doesn't suddenly make him a good guy.

How many of the characters in the show have been changed? It's not like they're trying to alter one character and only one character.

[(Anonymous)]

This is interesting to me. You say you're trying to see it as a showatcher, but it seems clear to me that you are looking at it from a bookreader offended by changes. Because:

1. You assume that watchers have a long enough memory to remember Violet, her appearance, name, and role.
2. The woman being hunted is not Violet. Her name is Tansy, and this was her first and last appearance.

So that scene was explicitly there to introduce the concept that he hunts innocent women and has his dogs eat them alive while he watches gleefully. Yet you say that the showrunners are trying to make him likeable?

As far as being badass, I think that was more to establish that he is dangerous, because he's a villain.

As far as pretty boy, the internet's definition of pretty expands and contracts as needed. Fit, decently-groomed, healthy-looking young men are almost universally considered attractive on the internet, when it suits someone to claim that the media only represents pretty people.