[ SECRET POST #2734 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2734 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 071 secrets from Secret Submission Post #391.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/4YDAhgk.png

[phyllomania]

We screamed and frothed over the mouth over CfJ/Rise of Arsenal, too. It tore Roy fans apart. So did the Titans series, although that at least culminated with him realizing "wait. WTF?" and taking back what tiny scraps he could. And we have not forgotten.

Honestly, I've heard good things about nu!Roy. What I know is I opened a book and found a page of my favorite character, who never gave up even when strung out and at the end of his rope, begging for suicide-by-supervillian. It left a bad taste and the rest of the book chased me away before I was able to learn more. (Is him standing on Jay's head actually a GOOD thing, btw? I'm assuming Jason isn't fully in control right then, because otherwise Roy's just being an asshole.)

I just really hate that Lian is gone, and there was always a chance for a retcon in the old universe or magiking her back into existence, as screwed up as it would have been to do so. She *was* the reason for Roy taking control over his own life, and it led to some beautiful moments ("you sit in the den and you get sad", "your wings are pretty", "do you want to see my penguins?").

For your little sidenote: The Dick/Roy relationship was one of the most fascinating in comics, thanks to their different ways of dealing with insufferable mentors, their ALWAYS sticking by each other Dick kicking Roy in the face NEVER happened, ok?! and Roy having the presence of mind to actually build a team just to get Dick back in the game. So, yeah. It was up there in importance. All the Titan lineup was up there.

…I kind of like that costume, though.

[elaminator]

…I kind of like that costume, though.

I haven't read enough DC comics to know what the rest of your comment is about (shame on me), but I agree with that! Actually, I find it pretty hot. Yum.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, DC went and fridged Roy's daughter and chopped off his arm in an event, and then went and wrote an abysmally bad mini where he relapses into his drug problem, kills a bunch of homeless people thinking they're responsible for killing his daughter, and tries to protect a dead cat while hallucinating his zombie daughter talking to him. Then Dick Grayson kicks Roy in the face and drags him to a rehab clinic for criminals, where Dick and Dana Lance - Black Canary, who is somewhere between mother figure and badass big sister to Roy - leave Roy to get over it. Keep in mind, "it" is the loss of both a major limb and his DAUGHTER. (and because if there's one thing we all know about Dick Grayson, [bitter sarcasm here] it is that he gives up on his friends.[/bitter sarcasm])

That all goes as well as expected. After which the mother of Roy's child, a villain, comes after him to kill him for letting their daughter die. It ends with Roy working for Deathstroke while continuing to use drugs.

It was all very unpleasant. And came as a punch to the gut because after shaky characterization and a pain-ridden canon for decades, Roy was finally having good things happen to him. He'd patched up things with the other Arrows, been accepted into the JL, and was in a generally positive place. While fans figured it wouldn't last forever, we didn't expect it to all crash down and burn quite so fast and hard.

TL;DR: OP has a point of sorts. Roy's canon was completely fucked well before the reboot. But those of us who watched him struggle and persevere against all sorts of threats both mental and to the world are equally angry about the cat thing and the complete erasure of the backstory that made us love him in the first place.

[phyllomania]

All of this, yup. :(

[elaminator]

I don't even know what to say other than, "Wow, that's fucked up". Because damn... I know comics regularly torture their characters, but that sounds neigh unbearable. Kudos to anyone who actually stuck with DC through the whole thing, because it sounds extremely unpleasant.

[dethtoll]

RHatO is so, so, so, SO bad. The irony of it all is that Roy is the only character who really carries the book. If Scott Lobdell is fired from the book forever I might pick it up.

[(Anonymous)]

DId you read the not-Lobdell Roy in DC Universe Presents Arsenal? I'm trying to decide if it's worth picking up, since I can't stand Lobdell but kind of want to get to know the new Roy should Lobdell ever leave the book forever (I wanted him to stay gone so much. I was so damn HAPPY when he wasn't around and thought maybe, maybe I could pick up the book.)

[dethtoll]

I did! It was pretty decent!

[(Anonymous)]

Well, my local FCBS had a copy left the last time I was there. Perhaps I will buy it when I next go.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh God, why did you remind me of the dead cat thing?

[(Anonymous)]

That's one thing that even Linkara couldn't make better. God knows he tried, but even comic lampooning couldn't make the damn cat anything but painfully terrible.

[gabzillaz]

People are mad about both.

And it's not just Roy/Dick. Is Roy/TT/his family

[truxillogical]

I thought we all had collectively agreed not to ever talk about Gay Cry for Justice ever again.