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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-06-29 03:57 pm

[ SECRET POST #2735 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2735 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-06-29 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
TBH I completely disagree with this. It's impossible to say (most) animals are good or evil in any sense. They're animals. They don't have any moral qualities that way.

I agree that they're cuter and we have a sentimental reaction to them, and that's all fine and whatever. But they're neither deliberately dickish nor inherently good. They are what they are. They don't have sentience, they're not moral agents, and it doesn't make sense to judge them in that way.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-29 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
...animals don't have sentience?

(Anonymous) 2014-06-30 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
NAYRT - I believe they may have meant 'sapience'. Easy mistake.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-29 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Animals still feel pain and happiness. If you think animals don't 'feel' then you must not have a lot of exposure with them.

They might not have the capacity for morals or whatever, but they are not evil or do things purely to screw others over or antagonize people like humans have the capacity to do.

If an animal attacks it's usually in self-defense or because it needs food. Humans kill people for money, jealousy, and other selfish reasons. Humans have war and terrorism. What's the worst thing an animal can do that is not in self-defense or instinct for survival? When has an animal gone out of it's way to cause someone pain?
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[personal profile] allkindsoffur 2014-06-29 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
It seems that dolphins can be intentionally sadistic - maybe because they are supposed to be highly intelligent(?)

(Anonymous) 2014-06-30 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
na

See, I respect animals. I respect life in general. I'm vegan and have done some volunteerng with animals. And I'm one of those that feels bad for animals when they're hurt in fiction, and often doesn't flinch when it happens to humans.

And it's not true this silly, naive and childish idea that only humans are bad and animals are pure and good and beautiful.

Animals do what we could call rape. They kill the weakest individuals. They kill to keep their power position. They let members of their own species to starve to death so they can keep certain status.

I still refuse to put the good/bad labels on animal actions, because OUR moral system can't be aplied to animals, and much less to animals in general, as if they were all the same. FFS, how often a moral system can't be aplied to all humans...

(Anonymous) 2014-06-30 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
And it's not true this silly, naive and childish idea that only humans are bad and animals are pure and good and beautiful.

Hear, hear, it's ridiculously anthropocentric.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-30 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
DA

Good, evil, moral - these are all human constructs and are meaningless. Humans can't even come to a consensus on them, ie homosexuality, death penalty, abortion.

Animals don't need morals. Social animals have pack rules that maintain order, all others simply weigh survival vs effort. Domesticated animals lose the survival imperative and that's let them develop trust, affection, and contentment, which their wild counterparts don't have the luxury of.