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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-07-01 06:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #2737 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2737 ⌋

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skippydelicious: Derp-Derp (Default)

[personal profile] skippydelicious 2014-07-01 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh quit with the boggart as proof thing. That is such bullshit. Teach long enough, and even if you are Saint Francis of fucking Assisi some kid will cast you as their worst nightmare. Sift through Hogwarts and you'd probably get someone terrified of McBadPoet too, and since she has a bit of an acid tongue when dressing the kids down that is probably not that unlikely. Hell there is probably one shit scared of giants that wets himself before going to Hagrid's classes (although given that "health and safety" are just a collection of phonemes to Hagrid, that could be a rational response there). Every teacher is someone's worst nightmare, and every teacher no matter how straight up insane is someone's favorite too. You can't use how a kid sees a teacher as proof of anything other than that is how that *one* kid sees them. Now if all the kids were coming up with Nightmare!Snape you'd have a point, but they aren't.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-02 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
so are you actually claiming that neville's fear of snape is just some inevitable coincidence due to the inherent nature of teaching and not

like

the textual years of malicious abuse
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[personal profile] skippydelicious 2014-07-02 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not saying Snape wasn't an asshole, but using Neville's experience with the boggart to make him the worst thing since hitler is just bullshit. Pick something else as your clincher.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-02 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
So basically what you're saying is that you agree that Snape was abusive towards the kids he was teaching. You just don't want to prove it using the Neville boggart thing, and would rather people use the many incidents of him acting abusive towards kids he was teaching instead.

Is that a fair summation?
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[personal profile] skippydelicious 2014-07-02 12:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. He's guilty of being a dick in the first degree, but the Neville thing is not proof of it. JK chose to show something that you'd expect at least one school child to show in the normal course of teaching. It doesn't mean Snape is not an asshole, it just means that that particular incident is not proof of him being so.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-03 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, and being that no one can ever even come up with one (and I can't remember one myself) makes me thing a lot of people are just protecting the teachers they hated on Snape.

Asking your students to pay attention and not show off in class isn't abusive. If you can't list anything he did that was actually abusive, maybe he wasn't actually abusive.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-03 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
It's abusive when they were legitimately performing well in class, not "showing off". Pretty much any interaction he had with Hermione in class was abuse--she was answering his questions and trying her best and he called her a know-it-all. That is an abusive teaching style.

Also may I remind you that Neville had a thousand things he could have been terrified of (like what happened to his parents), the thing that scares him MOST is Snape. It's not that "Neville is afraid of Snape", it's "Neville is MOST afraid of Snape."