[ SECRET POST #2737 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2737 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is just as bad. Legolas doesn't need a special reason not to like dwarves (or to join the Fellowship). They don't need to explain that any more than they need to explain that he's willing to like dwarves because she did. I've been really unhappy with what they're doing to his character. He's a fairly merry character in the book. His prejudices are institutional, not specific -- the same for Gimli. He's coming off as a dick.

I'm much more interested in the narrative of Legolas and Gimli finding that if you just talk with the person you have a racial prejudice against, you realize they're not what you thought. I feel like if he "hates" dwarves because of Tauriel, then that's not looking at that prejudice anymore, not exactly. It's him overcoming the irritation misplaced anger from the loss of his friend/love-interest. He's just using dwarves as a scapegoat for his loss then. It's more interesting if he's just someone who's never had to deal with dwarves before and had certain opinions about them anyway, but once he actually meets Gimli, he realizes he's wrong. That was the dynamic of Legolas and Gimli in the book; that's the dynamic I wish they'd kept.

(And Tauriel's still an influence on him (negative or positive) that I don't agree with at all. It still smacks of Mary-Sueism, though this isn't what specifically undermines the Gimli/Legolas friendship -- it just irritates me personally. There's no reason that Legolas needs any motivation at all for what he does/what happens in LOTR. It's prequel-itis at its worse.)

[(Anonymous)]

+10000000000000000000 to the first two paragraphs (don't have an opinion on the third.)

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I'm not happy with it either - I don't think there's enough of Legolas in LOTR to justify the somersaults The Hobbit trilogy is doing to explain how he ends up in the Fellowship and why he "really hates" dwarves. imo, Legolas is far more anti-dwarf in DOS, where he says he'd find it a "pleasure" to kill Thorin. His "hatred" of dwarves in LOTR is limited to one mildly snarky line and a couple of displeased looks.

The suggestion that Tauriel's end is going to be all about setting up Legolas' entry into LOTR is annoying. Not only is it unneeded, but if Tauriel dies to motivate Legolas, they're in the unfortunate position of having invented a female character to address a lack of women in the story and then killed her off to further a male character's character arc.

And, okay, let's say that the sole purpose of the love triangle was to explain why Legolas "really hates" dwarves. So where's Gimli's love triangle to explain why he hates elves in LOTR? After all, he was far more anti-elf than Legolas was anti-dwarf... And why aren't they explaining Thranduil's prejudices?

I do like Kili/Tauriel, though I think that the writing for it was pretty bad (that healing scene should have been rewritten and re-shot at the least) and I wish they hadn't dragged Legolas into it, suggesting that it would set up Legolas' entry into LOTR. I don't think it really undermines Legolas and Gimli's relationship in the films since it was given very little screentime and always downplayed to focus on their relationship with Aragorn. I've been wondering whether Kili/Tauriel is meant to stand in in some way for Gimli and Legolas' friendship because the latter was almost entirely ignored in the films.