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⌈ Secret Post #2739 ⌋

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Comments

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

I actually think that McCoy's the one who instigated it. Kirk had accepted that he was left behind, but McCoy looks back at him and can't abandon him so he uses his medical knowledge to get Kirk onboard. I think, in this case, it would be more pertinent to ask why people don't take McCoy to task rather than Kirk -- since Kirk wasn't really the "actor" in this instance.

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

Spock's sleeping with his students, Kirk's hacking the database, McCoy's a hypochondriac washout from civvie life with no respect for rules. Pike gives out Starfleet references to his friend's drunken son. The relief helmsman doesn't know how to start the ship and the duty helmsman pulled a sickie...are we sure this Enterprise was the flagship because it is starting to sound more like the F troop to me.

Shit, we got another screw up. This one can't pronounce his "W"s. Where can we post him? Out with the beagle killer, or just stick him on the Enterprise with the rest of them?

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

I laughed. Then I cried because it's so true.

Although I believe TOS Kirk also hacked the database as well for the Kobayashi Maru.

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

I am firmly in the camp that Kirk's hacking the database was one of those things they should never have shown. It sounds cooler in conversation than it could ever look on screen (even without the director saying "I want you to have him eat an apple, so he'll look like even more of an asshole") because onscreen it just looks like a kid cheating at an exam instead of an older man reflecting on the cunning thing he did in his youth. I know the rule is "show, don't tell", but somethings telling works better. This was one.

Or at least, the way it was glossed over in the movie anyway. Maybe if we sat through Kirk's first attempt at it with him, watched him puzzle it out and what the ramifications were, saw him set up the Mission Impossible style raid to access Starfleet's servers, got other memebers of his future command crew on side... That would have been so much better than just a few lines of dialogue about him bitching about it, then cut to him being smug in the simulator.

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[abharding]

Well to be fair I think the apple eating was more a nod to the scene where we first learned about how Kirk beat the Kobayashi Maru test. The problem in the first movie was there was no reason for Kirk to be eating anything on the bridge. In the TWOK helped set the scene - Kirk was telling a story about how he beat the test not taking the test itself.

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

It'd be nice if it were a nod, but Abrams has confirmed that it isn't -- it was just a lucky coincidence. They gave Pine an apple to eat because it would help make him look more cocky. Like how in the third Harry Potter movie, Draco is eating an apple when they meet Buckbeak. Later on Abrams and company saw the connection to Wrath of Khan, though.

I would have liked to see that movie.

[nyxelestia]

This is a good point, and one I wish the movie ran with.

Because from what I remember, TOS had these guys as all being the best in their fields and with extensive careers under their belts by the time they came together on the Enterprise.

I wouldn't have minded them being total screw-ups in this movie, if it had really gone for a "before they were famous"/"before the legend" angle. It would have been fantastic to see them go from being total screw-ups who do stupid things like sleep with superiors, hack databases, and violate medical ethics, to the highly-competent and well-trained people we've seen in the show, especially if it went with a "screw-ups but also geniuses" attitude.

Not only did the movie not go that route, but it played them off as already being the good Starfleet officers we see in the movie, but without any career or much training to back that up. It takes their imperfections and instead of analyzing, deconstructing, or otherwise utilizing them as flaws, the movie tries to legitimize them or dismiss them outright.

I would love for the movie being about Spock learning to control his latent rage into the serene calm from TOS, watching Uhura going from someone who sleeps with superiors to standing in her own right and maintaining professionalism despite awkward pasts, and I would definitely have loved to see Kirk go from being a wild child for the sake of it to learning how to follow the rules unless they are actively wrong. And seeing Pike come to regret his referral, only to be proven wrong/right-all-along, would have been a fantastic story-arc.

Instead, we got STID.

Re: I would have liked to see that movie.

[tabaqui]

Wow, yes. So much yes to this comment.

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[tabaqui]

No fucking kidding.

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe because "I'm Chaotic Good, dammit" was classic McCoy's schtick, so it fit what the audience expected off a younger, less responsible version of that character. And, it happens early enough in the movie that some viewers hadn't realized that everyone is Chaotic now (because that's darker and edgier), so McCoy was given the benefit of the doubt.

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

I can see that. I think people might also give McCoy a pass because the movie clearly doesn't try to hide that he's breaking regulations. Whereas with the Spock and Uhura scene, since we don't know that they're a couple when it happens, it does strike the viewer as INCREDIBLY disrespectful on Uhura's part at first glance. I think this does explain why so many people are so hung up on it. I just wish that they would re-evaluate the scene with the relationship in mind because I think that makes it clear that Spock is the one who should be catching the fandom's flak rather than Uhura.

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, if Spock's and Uhura's roles were reversed, the flak would be thrown in the right direction (Uhura's, in that case.) Uhura usually catches the flak in all scenarios because she is either the Woman In The Way or Letting Down Team Minority, depending on what fandom spectrum the complainers come from. Straight-up series purists tend to be equally annoyed at everyone for everything. :)

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

My flack has always been mostly directed at the writers and directors for thinking that scene was okay in any way. But it also made me think more 'ew Spock you are gross don't date students' than anything about Uhura.