[ SECRET POST #2739 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2739 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

When I read comments like this, I think people are really trying hard not to get it.

Star Trek was creating a new universe that only needed to use the characters. It was never supposed to be a direct retelling of the stories that already happened.

The Last Airbender was creating a live action version of the animated show.
It was unfaithful to be artsy.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, some people don't seem to get that nu!Trek is not really a reboot. It's an AU. They said it straight out in the dialog in the first movie.

Alternate timelines have been firmly established in Trek lore and this is just another one. The original timeline is UNTOUCHED. There is still media being created for that timeline (including TOS). The new movies did not wipe it out. If Paramount decides to make a new series, they could pick up where Voyager left off or continue on with the movie's timeline.

[cushlamochree]

Two points, I guess.

One, if they're not trying to be a direct retelling of the stories that already happened, why are they trying to retell the stories that already happened? So much of the narrative of STID and the emotional weight it tries to carry comes out of the audience's existing knowledge about Khan and Kirk and Spock and, basically, the fact that the audience has at least heard of Wrath of Khan. They're not really trying to do something new, given how much of STID relies on actually retelling existing stories.

Two, I think people are mostly complaining about a difference in the basic idea of what Star Trek is and what it's supposed to do. Not that the stories or the canons aren't exactly the same - people understand that it's an AU, not a remake. But STID does not have a lot in common with the things that make Star Trek... well, Star Trek. And what makes Star Trek what it is has never been any of the mere details of canon. What makes people love Star Trek is the ability to go anywhere in space and do any kind of story, the dorkiness and sincerity, the curiosity and the romanticism and the fundamental optimism about the human condition. And I think it's reasonable to complain that the new movies have, so far, not really conveyed that. Yes, they're supposed to be new movies. But if they're not going to try to be Star Trek, in the ways that matter, what's the point of even having them?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, exactly. The new movies are basically just shallow, glossy, and 'edgy' Michael Bay-fare, wearing a Star Trek mask. It's why so many Trek fans hate them. Not because the reboot diverged from the TOS storyline.

[(Anonymous)]

This was a bad decision on someone's part based upon what fans were asking for. Not all three of the writers agreed that this was the way to go and I agree that it was a mistake. It was always intended to be an alternate reality though, even in the (poorly done) retelling.

"But if they're not going to try to be Star Trek, in the ways that matter, what's the point of even having them?"

Money. The new movies brought interest to TOS and the rest of Star Trek to people who'd never had any interest before. People love Star Trek (reboot). I know there are fans who don't appreciate all the ways that it isn't classic trek, but there are fans who don't care about that at all.

"What makes people love Star Trek is the ability to go anywhere in space and do any kind of story, the dorkiness and sincerity, the curiosity and the romanticism and the fundamental optimism about the human condition. And I think it's reasonable to complain that the new movies have, so far, not really conveyed that."

I see a few die hard fans complaining about this, but for the most part, people complain about specific relationship dynamics, not the lack of exploration. All of that exists in the original canon, and yet, the reboot is still more popular. Even with so many people being introduced to TOS. The love for all of the things you mention does not outweigh people's love of the characters and that is what the reboot brought.