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Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

I would say, though, that Scotty and Uhura's especially are fixated on one person. For Scotty it's Kirk and for Uhura it's Spock. Sulu and Chekov get very little screen time, but Scotty barely interacts with anyone but Kirk while Uhura barely interacts with anyone but Spock. McCoy gets a bit more variety -- he has scenes with Khan, Kirk, Sulu, and Carol Marcus.

I think the reason the writing of Uhura's role gets picked on a lot is because she's being billed up there with Kirk and Spock (check any of the posters or promotional materials) while her role is basically equally to Scotty's (or even less so in some parts). In STID, for example, I'd say Scotty got a meatier role in terms of plot relevance than she did -- refusing to sign for the torpedoes, sneaking onboard the vengeance, stopping Marcus, letting Kirk and Khan in, then fighting alongside them. Uhura had some moments too -- like the Klingons and fighting Khan -- but they were fewer and the Klingons, in particular, didn't end up listening to her.

People are annoyed that they're playing her up without really giving her the substance that the promotional material is implying. I mean, in terms of backstory, we know more about McCoy than Uhura -- we know why he joined Starfleet, we know he has aviophobia, we know he was divorced and lost basically everything in that divorce. With Uhura, the most backstory she's been given is that she was Gaila's roommate. So I think a lot of fans feel cheated. At least, that's sometimes how I feel.

Has Uhura's role been improved. I think so -- hence why I said it was literally the only good thing to come out of the reboots. But it's still got a lot of flaws and room for improvement. And, unlike basically every other role, I don't think the writing of her narrative lives up to the promotional material.

My two cents for what they are worth.

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

In the first one, Uhura's clearly on Spock's side, but her plot was also focused on showing who Kirk was growing to be. She was right there for every step in his development from underachieving genius to captain.

In the second, while she was illustrating Spock's PTSD she was also, along with the other characters, highlighting Kirk's need to rely on his family. He was making rash decisions and most of them had a moment to show how much Kirk needs to rely on his crew. Her role in this movie was poorly written, imho, but it wasn't only UhuraxSpock. UhuraxKirk was there too.

"Has Uhura's role been improved. I think so -- hence why I said it was literally the only good thing to come out of the reboots. But it's still got a lot of flaws and room for improvement. And, unlike basically every other role, I don't think the writing of her narrative lives up to the promotional material." I agree with your position. She has been improved, but there is room for improvement.

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

I see what you mean. I just think that Kirk and Uhura didn't really get a chance to build a relationship on their own very well. I really like the scene where she asks him about Pike, but it irritates me a tad that this immediately transitions to talking about Spock although, on some level, I understand that this because he's the one they're both currently frustrated with. But I do wish they could develop their friendship independently.

One thing that does bother me about Kirk/Uhura, though, is that it seems like Kirk only really starts to respect her once he finds out she's Spock's girlfriend. As though now that she's claimed and "off limits" he's going to treat her like a friend and person instead of a potential conquest. In the commentary during the kiss on the transporter pad, for example, they even say that Kirk's thinking he's "lost." As though Uhura telling him "no" consistently over three years ago counts for nothing and it takes seeing Spock kissing her to let him know he doesn't have a chance.

I do agree that Uhura's role gets picked apart A LOT. In ways that the other characters aren't scrutinized. But I think that the writers do deserve some of the blame for not wholly delivering on what the marketing promised.

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

Her role does get scrutinized more than other characters and still people manage to disregard her role and contributions to the story.

Once people realized she and Spock were in a relationship, everything she contributed to Kirk's plot line and to move the story forward no longer mattered. It's as if it didn't exist.

That can't be blamed on the writers, or the director -- it's there. That rests solely with the viewer.

Re: The Reboots Improved Literally One Thing

[(Anonymous)]

Hence why I said the writers deserve PART of the blame. Because I do think Uhura's role is picked apart much more than fair. But given that there are flaws in the writing some of it is, undoubtedly, going to be legitimate.

Her role gets scrutinized more than other characters -- I agree
People disregard her role and contributions to the story -- I agree
Once people realized she and Spock were in a relationship, everything she contributed to Kirk's plot line no longer mattered -- I agree and disagree. Yes, some people do this. But the handling of Kirk and Uhura's relationship is not perfect either IMO. Like I said, I really dislike that Kirk can't seem to treat Uhura like an actual person and they can't respect each other until AFTER he learns that she's Spock's girlfriend. Quite simply, it reminds me too much of men in bars who won't back off until they find out you're "taken." It reinforces the idea that a woman (Uhura's) "no" doesn't mean anything and only another man's claim is worth respecting.

That blame can and most definitely should be placed on the writers/director and not the viewer in my opinion.