[ SECRET POST #2744 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2744 ⌋

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Comments

[sarillia]

I'm curious about what you mean by "the circumstances around both fandoms".

I see what you mean about it being dismissive most of the time. I've been guilty of that even though I love Frozen and am not trying to criticize it when I say that I don't think it's particularly ground-breaking.

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm, I think a better wording would have been 'franchises' instead of fandoms. I really think it's an issue of the time in which both were released, what they aimed to say, and the direction the two franchises took.

Out of the two, L&S is the more mature movie, because it tries to tackle a lot more stuff in a more realistic way. It feels like a movie that was made by adults, for children who are similar to Lilo. It is a movie about family, yes, but it is trying to explore what makes family. It never questions what type of love is important, but says that sometimes it is difficult to live with someone you love.

Frozen is much lighter in that sense; it's aimed at a slightly older audience, it's more adventure-oriented and it did make a lot of marketing-based-storytelling decisions (not that parts of L&S weren't designed to be as cute as possible). But it uses the simple tropes it has to explicitly make the point that romantic love and familial love are equally powerful. It wouldn't have invoked true love's kiss/act otherwise. Disney had been poking fun at itself and its princess tropes for a while (with Enchanted, mainly, but PatF had some of that, too); this one explicitly went for 'these two types of love are equal'.

Consider, though, that L&S spawned a direct-to-video sequel and a series that focused mainly on Lilo and Stitch's adventures, and had fun with the whole cute aliens thing. I'm sure they kept the family message (although I can't be sure as I never paid attention to the sequels) but it was Stitch who became a mascot character. On the other hand, Frozen merchandise centers around Elsa and Anna, and Maleficent followed on its footsteps, making a female bond the important love bond of the movie.

Taking that into consideration, I think the whole L&S vs Frozen argument is entirely myopic and born more out of a need for ammo to denounce Frozen than a genuine need to uphold L&S as a good movie, and that's a huge disservice to L&S. They're comparable in some ways but when it comes down to "Well, THIS movie did it first so there!" (when, again, it is the only other one who did it 12 years ago), it seems completely unnecessary.

[sarillia]

This is a very good comment. I especially like this: "I think the whole L&S vs Frozen argument is entirely myopic and born more out of a need for ammo to denounce Frozen than a genuine need to uphold L&S as a good movie, and that's a huge disservice to L&S". Like I said, that's not where I'm coming from (for me it's like if someone said that Cinderella was the first Disney princess, I'm not trying to insult Cinderella when I point out that Snow White was the first one; it's got nothing to do with the quality of either film) but I think I've been underestimating how many people do mean it this way and how annoying it can be for people like me to repeat the same arguments. I've been in other discussions where it irritated me so much that something only ever came up as a counterpoint and never as something to be talking about on its own merits, so that makes a lot of sense to me. Anyway, I see where you're coming from now.