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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-07-08 07:08 pm

[ SECRET POST #2744 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2744 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-07-09 06:48 am (UTC)(link)
I think skippydelicious meant to post that anonymously. Looks like we've found our troll.
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[personal profile] skippydelicious 2014-07-09 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
No, no. I honestly liked Merlin and I think it adds nicely to the Arthurian canons. Okay it is in the same section as Monty Python (and admittedly the Python chaps were a lot more faithful, no seriously) but it adds nicely to them. The Arthurian legends were always added to and re-invented, in every age to reflect the things important to that age. This is the 2000's contribution and twist on it. I have no problem putting my (screen)name to that.
Edited 2014-07-09 11:58 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2014-07-09 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

Well okay. Fair enough, each to their own I suppose. I still think you're crazy, but yeah.

Holy Grail was a lampoon of the Arthurian legends btw. Or rather a prolonged Python sketch set in the Arthurian legends. It was never supposed to add to them! The Castle Anthrax, 'she turned me into a newt!', the knights who say Ni, etc all live on... as excellent Python sketches. Not Arthurian legends.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-09 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree. "The Holy Grail" is a completely different genre and wasn't supposed to add anything to the canon. Just like "Robin Hood - Men in Tights" never was supposed to add anything to the Robin Hood myths.
Saying Merlin adds nicely to the Athurian Myths is like saying Xena adds nicely to Greek Mythology, Marvel's Thor adds nicely to the Edda and Nordic Myths or Kamikaze Kaitô Jeanne adds nicely to the Jeanne d'Arc myths. Adaptions? Sure. Good adaptions? Matter of taste and up for discussion. Adding to the canon? No.
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[personal profile] skippydelicious 2014-07-09 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course if you asked a random person in the street about Thor and Loki, you'd probably get at least as much Marvel as "traditional" mythology. Like it or not, they have added to it. Same with Merlin (and Python, and FWIW, you'd be surprised how close to the Morte D'Arthur, and prior legends, "Holy Grail" hews, or possibly not surprised when you look at the education of the Pythons). Merlin has added a new interpretation to the Arthur - Merlin relationship, a new (and revived) version of Uther, and of course added a fresh character in Gauis. That is how the Arthurian canons always advanced. Half the characters we associate with Arthur, including the Grail, were either completely separate tales or brand new inventions at some point.

As for Xena and Hercules, well I daresay that they changed the perception of Amazons, and gave Ares a fresh interpretation.

To revisit Robin Hood though; Robin of Sherwood (the 80s series) certainly added to the Robin Hood canons, it added a Moorish character to the cast. Almost every new version of Robin Hood has copied that. To the point that Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves almost had to pay a massive chunk of copyright when they gave their Moorish character the same name thinking it was a Hood-mythos character. It was only at the last minute that someone spotted this (much to Richard Carpenter's chagrin as he'd spotted it too, and was hoping to pick up a nice check over it) and changed the name, but not the basic character of course. You have to wonder about the recent trend for casting Marian as an action girl, and how much that owes to the BBC comedy series "Maid Marian and Her Merry Men" too.
Edited 2014-07-09 17:04 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2014-07-09 05:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this.