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⌈ Secret Post #2754 ⌋

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[Of Heroes and Villains, by Minikisa]

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[Orange is the New Black]

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[Axis Powers Hetalia]

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[Lone Survivor]

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[Yasunori Kato, Doomed Megalopolis]

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[Spartacus and Game of Thrones]

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12. [WARNING for underage sex (and probably dub/noncon too)]

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13. [WARNING for rape]

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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]

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15. [WARNING for child abuse, rape]

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Honestly while I don't agree that Mary Sues are empowering at all, I also believe that when kids are young you should actually persuade them not to post online until they're ready but also permit them to write whatever and get all the crazy stuff (including Mary Sues) out of their system. Don't hold a kid to the same standards as you'd hold a published writer. Let kids get all their crazy fantasies out of their head.

Let kids write crazy shit, and even sometimes Mary Sues, because being allowed to make mistakes will help them grow. It's sorta like that saying I saw somewhere that you need to get a bunch of bad stories out before you write the good ones. When they ask you for advice and crit on their writing be honest and help them.

(but at the same time using "Mary Sue" may not be the term you want to use- actually tell them WHERE they're going wrong on the character Ex: http://hatedlove6.deviantart.com/art/Telling-your-Friends-They-Have-a-Mary-Sue-425582690 this explains it better than I could)

With time and guidance they'll get better and they'll see and understand where they made mistakes in a more genuine way than just being told "don't write that, don't write that and don't write that.

I definitely don't think you should encourage young writers to write Mary Sues and tell them that its good writing. But I don't think you should be hard on them when they do write one.

Better to write bad stuff when you're young then write it when you're 30 and try to get it published.

Hope you don't mind me commentary here.

Edited 2014-07-19 00:31 (UTC)

Nah, it's cool. Hell, I agree with you.

I'm not against letting kids make mistakes and encouraging them write. And I'm definitely not the type of person who actually uses the term mary sue as critique. My complaint wasn't towards the kids, but the adults who spread bad advice.

Ahhhh yeah.

Yeah... I see some people saying that who are SJWs claiming that the dislike of Mary Sues is some sexist agenda trying to keep girls down and kill their dreams.

Like I'll admit that there can be a fair bit of sexism in how Mary Sue is thrown at girl characters so often when it shouldn't be. But the fact that people don't want to read someone's self insert powerfantasy with an overpowered favored character isn't because of any kind of -ism , it's just because it's honestly kind of boring.

I had a godawful Mary Sue when I was about ten. Purple eyes, red hair with a black streak across the shoulders (yes, it just magically shifted as the hair grew to stay in place), perfect singing voice, torrid romance with half the male cast (it shifted as my opinion on who she should be with changed), got a gold dragon in the Pern section of the story, pretty much everything you can imagine. Was it probably good that I created my ridiculous Mary Sue at nine, realized she was an awful character (and why, which is much more important than just knowing) at about twelve, and started putting that into writing better material? Yes. Absolutely. And it's a good thing that I got that out of the way when I did. I've written some pretty awful stuff since then, but it was awful for different reasons, and being able to find new and interesting ways to write poorly is an important part of writing.

Ohoho let me tell you about mine. She was a nine year old misunderstood super genius that got picked on because people were jealous that she skipped grades. She had literally fire engine red hair and an outfit that was rainbow colors. She had super special powers to make magic jewelry.

I forgot about the story for a while because of my short attention span, and then when I revamped it I totally changed her. I removed the whole genius/skipped grades bit, made her actually a little immature for her age and a total space cadet with a runaway imagination. She has a fixation on fantasy animals, especially unicorns.

Basically I made her the kind of kid I was at ten, with all the flaws, (impatience, forgetfulness,short-siightedness, scatter-brain-ness among others) and and none of the self delusion. It greatly improved her character. She does have magic powers that have an important part of the plot and her history, but more specific and way less overpowered (it also leaves room for growth as she starts out with the POTENTIAL to learn to enchant things and learn magic tricks which she learns how to do throughout the actual story.)I changed her appearance and made her hair more of an auburn color.

But yeah...I think Mary Sues are a phase that young children go through when learning to write. It's sorta like when you go to a buffet and see all this good stuff, and you pile it ALL on your plate because you want to try it all.

Mine kidnapped Ash from Pokemon and battled him into submission because she was sick and tired of his crap of doing favors to get gym badges and beating ground types with Pikachu's thundershock.

She also later went on this undercover Team Rocket mission for five years, and when she finished the world had transformed into a WORLD OF FEMALE OPPRESSION. So she had to kick ass and destroy everyone to return the status quo. Also she was in a relationship with Steven Stone. Because why not.

Oh and in my Sailor Moon fanfic, she was Sailor Omega and her star seed was the Impure Star Seed because it was basically made up of slivers of every other senshi's star seeds. So she had all their powers. And if she ever awakened as a senshi, she would DESTROY THE UNIVERSE.

I'm actually not all that ashamed of my Mary Sue's in hindsight.

Oh wow...that actually...that actually sounds like something I might read just to see how that works out.

Thanks. Unfortunately, I was a real slow writer and had no concept of pacing. So all my old works (which I still have for the most part because I am a hoarder) always introduce a ton of OCs and have terrible dialogue and never actually get to the grand plot that was in my head. I typed one of them out once; it was several pages in the notebook I'd had and I remembered it taking me so long to write and it ended up being like 500-1000 words only.

And I remember certain stories like the Sailor Moon one, they got so long in my head and I got so impatient, first I had certain characters getting flash forwards, then I started writing both the original story and the sequel AT THE SAME TIME.

Even now the fanfics I get around to writing (or at least starting) are like OMG WTF GOES ON IN MY HEAD. Like I'm writing a Phantom of the Opera fic right now under another pen name and it's essentially a Peggy Sue fic where she ends up back in time with all the memories of the future, tries to change things, yada. But that is not enough for my brain. No! See she has actually travelled to a parallel universe in which the Phantom was never born disfigured, so all of that is changed as well. But that is not enough for my brain. No! The reader will find out at the end that she actually has the supernatural power of mind crossing universes and was dragged into the current story verse by an angry alt!version of herself who went suicidal after getting rejected by not!deformed!Phantom and discovering her powers only to be unable to change things, etc. And then alt!version and main!version end up having to do an epic battle in the between-universe realm of her own head, and main!version essentially beats alt!version by shoving her into a mirror and then destroying it.

Pretty much every single idea I have spins off into a wild tangent like this.

So you were the writer of My Immortal?

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