[ SECRET POST #2754 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2754 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Of Heroes and Villains, by Minikisa]


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[Orange is the New Black]


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[Axis Powers Hetalia]


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[Lone Survivor]


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[Yasunori Kato, Doomed Megalopolis]


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[Spartacus and Game of Thrones]


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12. [WARNING for underage sex (and probably dub/noncon too)]



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13. [WARNING for rape]



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14. [WARNING for noncon/dubcon]

[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]


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15. [WARNING for child abuse, rape]























Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #393.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 (tw: rape) - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[whizzy]

Jet flipped sides before Ian turned on Steve though, before she got to see that unconditional love. The part that really bugged me was in the cavern where the phrox were being melted alive. Steve is going on about how it's wrong to harm innocents and Jet's guilt -- or the unpleasant sensation she describes that he tells her is guilt -- stems from knowing that it's wrong. But she never makes the connection herself, never acknowledges the phrox who are right there, trapped and waiting to die, with empathy or compassion or anything. She doesn't even try to interact with the phrox woman Steve rescued. It seemed weirdly selfish for a turning point, like all she's learned is that guilt is unpleasant; and Steve claims that helping him save the phrox will cure it.

I don't think Jet would have listened to the same speech from any other denizen of DimZ. I'm not sure she would have hauled up the rope if Steve hadn't been at the end. The attraction and fascination is tied up in Steve being another human, a potential equal where Jet has been uniquely superior her whole life.

[nyxelestia]

I wonder if maybe this is one of those situations where we might be operating on slightly different definitions/connotations of words, because yeah, fascination in the first other human in her life (other than perhaps Ian?) seems obvious, but I don't equate fascination with attraction.

And I kind of think that being a little on the selfish side makes her turning point a little more believable? That was largely how she was raised, so I wouldn't be able to buy her seeing herself as inherently superior and more worthy to everyone around her to suddenly being selfless and compassionate. It makes sense that at first seeing the mindless cruelty without having to experience it herself would tap into her latent empathy that Zola never managed to touch, and that she would learn and grow from that point on.

[whizzy]

I guess. To me, stuff like "polluted urges stirring" and "his physical beauty" and "the unrest his form stirred within me" implies attraction beyond the obvious fascination.

I don't think that acknowledging the cruelty and murder occurring right in front of her would make her suddenly selfless. It would make her aware, and if she was supposed to be discovering some empathy with awareness, it didn't translate to the page. Steve in that scene was strongly empathetic, while Jet ignored the victims -- perhaps because they were just phrox and were beneath her notice.

[nyxelestia]

I don't deny that she was, on the surface, attracted to him - I just don't think her attraction to him actually had anything to do with her changing morality/allegiances.

I think it's possible to feel empathy without discovering/understanding it. I know a lot of things I was raised to think of as acceptable or benign used to piss me off or make me feel bad as a kid, and it wasn't until years later in many cases that I understood why (I apparently had a lot more empathy than I thought as a little kid, I'd just internalized a cold hearted mask so much, even at a fairly young age, that I didn't realize it).

Maybe this traces back to why I actually quite like Jet's character and largely don't mind the way she's written. In terms of emotional development, the way she was written feels closest to my own experiences. That said, I'm never quite sure if my experiences are unusual or not, and I had been thinking that I'm really just average, but with the way people are reacting to Jet, maybe they're not.