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what kind of deal could he make? He was a shepherd now. He had no money, nothing of value. He had nothing to give in return. Ramses would NEVER go for it, and Moses fucking knew it.

He was Ramses' brother, and Ramses loved him. He could have at least tried talking to him in private first.

Keep justifying their actions and remember that Demona herself made a deal with humans that backfired on her as well. So, yeah, no.

She wouldn't have made that deal if Goliath stood up for the gargoyles and tried talking to Princess Catherine, saying that since the gargoyles are defending the castle they shouldn't be treated like animals. Instead he just brushed their cruelty off.

Ramses. Was not. Going. To. See. Reason. Regardless. Moses knew this. Talking to him in private would have done nothing. Quit insisting it would have.

And way to go, blaming Demona's actions--the ones that got most of the clan killed, by the way--on Goliath. He was doing what he could, the princess was a scared young woman and all he could to to change that was endure. Try to reason with her, she'd probably perceive it as an attack. After all, he's bigger and stronger than her.

So bullshit. One of their actions led to the outright murder of their clan. Demona's sins are on her own head. As are Ramses'.

Quit blaming their actions on other people because you are literally removing all guilt the have by doing so and it's kind of disgusting.

What harm could it have done for Moses to try reasoning Ramses in private before ordering him in public? Ramses would have less reason to reject it because he wouldn't have to worry about appearing weak to his people.

And really, your solution for a group of people being mistreated is to not do anything, just ignore it and hope it goes away?

Except he had no reason to ACCEPT it. It wasn't about seeming weak. It was that he saw nothing wrong with it, and even a request from his brother would do NOTHING.

Intimidating them and scaring them further sure isn't gonna do anything. And before you say anything: hey, I'm a gay person who has nearly been killed for being openly gay before! So don't pull that shit on me.

Again, what's the worst that could happen if Moses tried talking to him privately first? If it didn't work he could do what he already did in the movie.

So talking to the queen and asking to be treated better counts as intimidating and scaring them?

He would have refused. And nothing would have changed. We'd still have the rest of the damn story exactly the same. Ooh, shock, surprise.

When she's already scared of you because you are big, scary and intimidating? Yes. Yes, that would count. Because you are big and could snap them in two easily. It's not going to work. You get an advocate for you, but you yourself are going to make it worse because. You're intimidating in appearance and, again, he could snap a person in two.

You are dead set on being right without knowing how this shit works. And you want to woobify the villains to a degree that it's the big, horrible hero's fault.

If the worst he could do is refuse, why didn't he just talk to him in private first then?

So what would you have the Gargoyles do? Nothing?

DA: I agree Moses should have tried a private meeting. They even did have a private meeting (during the darkness?) where they talk and reminisce and you can see Rameses falling into the habits of their brotherhood and listening and considering it, but then rejecting it because he'd already publically committed to refusing.

Making the demands in public undermined his authority as Pharaoh, which was especially bad as we'd already seen he'd felt insecure about it before Moses left and Moses should have known that.

You're talking like Goliath could have just gone up to Catherine and said, "hey, stop being a dick" and everything would have been fine. Deep-seated prejudices don't work like that, and even if he did change her mind (which he probably wouldn't), it would still be a long, hard slog to change the attitudes and actions of everyone else in the kingdom. The fact that racism is still alive and well today despite laws expressly against it kinda proves that, and that's humans dealing with humans. If Goliath had "stood up for" the gargoyles, all that would have likely accomplished is frightening the humans and reinforcing their beliefs that these were dangerous, unpredictable animals.

But even if you think Goliath didn't handle thing well, that still doesn't excuse Demona's actions. I'm not sure how you think they do. Demona chose to make a shady deal that endangered her clan and the humans they were supposed to be protecting, and it backfired on her. Nothing forced her to do this. Being sick of the way humans were treating them doesn't mean she needed to go to such a dangerous extreme.

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