[ SECRET POST #2760 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2760 ⌋

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[The Penny Dreadfuls]


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[True Blood, Game of Thrones]


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[Tamora Pierce]


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[Free!]


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[Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift]


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[Masterchef]


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[Game of Thrones]


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Comments

Re: Social Justice for fictional issues

[icecheetah]

I guess the huge back and forth arguments I see about Skyrim. That if your character joins the Stormcloaks, you are racist. If you think they are right in any way, you are racist. It has really all become noise for me because... well it happens so often. While I haven't done the Civil War questline yet, so I can't get the full context, from what I hear the whole thing was designed to be a grey area, with both sides having right and wrong aspects. So it would be a hard decision. And probably people missing a point or two on both sides.

And I'd really want a study on if there was a correlation between actual racism in real life and choosing the stormcloaks rather than the imperials.

Re: Social Justice for fictional issues

[toku_mei]

Lol I'm replaying Skyrim now and trying to decide which side to choose. But I can definitely appreciate the nuances of the, err, political situation more than I did the first time. These are real life arguments that still exist in the world, without the magic and dragons and stuff. Xenophobia and nationalism against oppression (perceived or otherwise).

Honestly though, I don't think the Imperials are that much better. The elves are pretty much racist against men, at least the high elves who think they're so much better. Banning worship of Talos (even if Skyrim's obsession with Talos was obviously more politically and culturally motivated than anything), and they were the ones who tried to execute you at the beginning of the game... Plus it always bugged me that they had no female guards on the Imperial side, so I started to headcanon them as more sexist than the Nords.

But anyway, obviously both sides have a point, and both sides have good guys and assholes. That's pretty well presented, there isn't really a right choice. Though it's kind of hard to go Stormcloak if you're playing a character who isn't a Nord, lol.

kind of off topic. But going Stormcloak doesn't make you racist. Lol'ing at the image of a real life person arguing that.

Re: Social Justice for fictional issues

[icecheetah]

I think your response illustrates how it's not really clear cut better than I could, so I'd think that it's on topic enough (and the less sexist Stormcloaks headcanon makes sense to me. I have to admit I haven't really paid attention to the guards beyond "that's the thousandth time I heard that,", so I didn't notice the division. That can't be an accident.)

It's probably happened.

Re: Social Justice for fictional issues

[toku_mei]

Yeah, the Imperials had a few higher ranking named female soldiers, like the woman who wants to behead you at the beginning of the game. But as far as "town soldiers", none. I tried to look up why, but there was nothing. I just actively noticed the female guards on the Stormcloak side because I was impressed that the game did include them there, and with the same armor (no sexy alternative) and everything.

I ended up downloading a mod that diversified the guards, added female Imperial guards and stuff.

Re: Social Justice for fictional issues

[icecheetah]

Maybe, if the imperials are sexist, those women who manage to get past the perceptions are always so strong they are 'distinguished'... I really can't guess the implications of that.

It's a funny thing though, I heard once that in Imperials, the women and men have the smallest difference in their base stats, and it was taken as evidence that the they weren't as forced into different roles in Imperial culture...

Re: Social Justice for fictional issues

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is tho that the Imperial Legion has more high-ranking female officers. ...Well, they have two. But Rikke is the right-hand woman of the man in charge. Stormcloaks have zilch.

I think that the scale is tipped towards the Imperials a bit more, because Ulfric is frankly not that smart, he's not that good a leader (he screwed over the Forsworn unnecessarily, too), his motives are questionable, and he is irremediably racist. Though extending that to you being racist if you side with the Stormcloaks is ridiculous.

It's kind of a moot point who you choose though. If the Dark Brotherhood questline is canon (and they generally all are), the Empire is screwed anyways.

Re: Social Justice for fictional issues

[toku_mei]

That's true, I guess? I do remember a scarce few female officers from the Imperials, I can't remember any Stormcloaks off the top of my head. But the Stormcloaks seem less organized in general... and less intelligent, to be honest. Ulfric himself, I see where he is coming from, and it's hard to make a complete judgment but his haters definitely think his ego is bigger than his ideals.

It's not right that the worship of Talos was banned, even if it was a half-hearted political maneuver. And I understand a country wanting to be ruled by its own people (though I wouldn't extend that sentiment to the race of the Nords, but simply people who are of Skyrim). But they don't really seem to have a lot of gripes besides that. And even with the Empire, all the jarls are still pretty much Nords anyway, and so is the High King/Queen/whatever (iirc).