ext_33427 ([identity profile] degrees.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2007-12-06 04:00 pm

[ SECRET POST #335 ]


⌈ Secret Post #335 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

I'm not actually around, Semagic is doing the work for me, so you guys do the name that fandom! :D

Also... the amount of not posted secrets today worries me. Perhaps some of you could do with a refresher on the rules and regulations?

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 47 secrets from Secret Submission Post #048.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 ] broken link, [ 1 2 3 4 ] not!secrets, [ 1 2 ] not!fandom, [ 1 ] WTF?, [ 1 ] Teal Dear Rant Sans Secret But Amusing Enough To Make A Seperate Category For Because Of The Tattoo.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Friday, December 7th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(frozen comment)

[identity profile] sir-hellsing.livejournal.com 2007-12-07 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Light's the main character. But the antagonist. Proganists aren't always the main characters.

(frozen comment) WENDY'S ANON

(Anonymous) 2007-12-07 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
UH, YEAH. THEY ARE. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/protagonist)

(frozen comment) Re: WENDY'S ANON

[identity profile] sir-hellsing.livejournal.com 2007-12-07 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes, my bad. I confused "hero" with main character. Protagonists could or couldn't be the heroes.

(frozen comment) Wendy's anon strikes back!

(Anonymous) 2007-12-07 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)
You seem to be under the impression that being the 'hero' of the story means that a character is fundamentally good! THIS IS NOT TRUE, because, well! Everyone is the hero in their own mind. The protagonist is, BY DEFINITION, the main character of a story. The antagonist is, BY DEFINITION, the person who struggles against the protagonist. Good and evil have nothing to do with it.

(frozen comment) Re: Wendy's anon strikes back!

[identity profile] sir-hellsing.livejournal.com 2007-12-07 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I realized already about protagonists and antagonists. Thank you. Heroes do, however, have to do with good traits.

(frozen comment) Re: Wendy's anon strikes back!

(Anonymous) 2007-12-07 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
HERO =/= HEROIC. THE HERO OF A STORY IS A MAIN CHARACTER. A HERO IN A STORY IS THE DUDE THAT SAVES KITTENS AND KISSES BABIES. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

Honestly I think your inability to distinguish this is why it's coming up that your characterization of villains frankly sucks. I KNOW NOTHING OF THIS RP PERIOD, but nobody. NOBODY. EVER THINKS THEY ARE THE VILLAIN. They do not wake up and go OH HELLO I THINK I WILL BE EVIL TODAY AND GO SODOMIZE SMALL CHILDREN WHILE WHISTLING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. They think! What they do! Is right! And you are obviously too stupid to get that.

(frozen comment) Re: Wendy's anon strikes back!

[identity profile] sir-hellsing.livejournal.com 2007-12-07 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
If you follow that definition of hero. I had the understanding, a main character could be a hero, an anti hero or a villain in character stock. *shrugs* Most of the time, usually, the main (male) character/protagonist is known as hero, but not always could be considered one (and there's also the pesky narrator trouble).

Drop the caps. Please.

EVER THINKS THEY ARE THE VILLAIN. They do not wake up and go OH HELLO I THINK I WILL BE EVIL TODAY AND GO SODOMIZE SMALL CHILDREN WHILE WHISTLING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. They think! What they do! Is right! And you are obviously too stupid to get that.

Thank you for your opinion. Pity I don't give a damn for it? :) If you want to start wank, please, do it elsewhere.

(frozen comment) DOING WHAT TASTES RIGHT

(Anonymous) 2007-12-07 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I am going by the definition that is in the dictionary. Look it up! Multiple uses for a word? WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT? Also, don't knock the cruise control for cool. You know you're just jealous.

But seriously. If your problem is that you are dehumanizing your villain to the point where he is nothing but a caricature of what you think Evil should be, then you are Doing It Wrong. I have read a lot of your other comments. I know the author has said that he fails at "being human." But that does not mean he's not a person. He is going to have motivations, he is going to think he's doing what he's doing for a CAUSE, and he is going to think he is doing it because, in his view, it is the right thing to do. This is how villains work. This is how PEOPLE work. Nobody is as two-dimensional as the person I see described in what you've said.

(frozen comment) Re: DOING WHAT TASTES RIGHT

[identity profile] sir-hellsing.livejournal.com 2007-12-07 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I know there's alternative meanings and that hero IS used for main character, but when I speak on roles of morals (not in story) of a protagonist, they can be hero/anti hero/villain. THIS is what I mean in Light's case. He wasn't the "hero" (even if a disturbing amount of FS!people agree with him). I think we had a misunderstanding, that's all. Sorry, I wasn't clear?

But that does not mean he's not a person. He is going to have motivations, he is going to think he's doing what he's doing for a CAUSE, and he is going to think he is doing it because, in his view, it is the right thing to do. This is how villains work. This is how PEOPLE work. Nobody is as two-dimensional as the person I see described in what you've said.

If you have read... you'll noticed I don't PLAY this character who "fails" at being a human being? But I play the villain who is CONTROLLING this character and handed a profile with ALL his layers because, IMO, the OP had a narrow Manga-centric two dimensional view of Dietrich (which is COMPLETELY understandable, because he lacks most of his novel layers).

I was even accused of empathizing with him in this very thread. Which I don't. I think he's really disgusting albeit fascinating.

It was a long thread. Surely was a misunderstanding?

What was criticize mostly was that the bad guys are having advantage with the good guys and I agree completely, but there's a lot of IC reasons they have (including the fact bad guys outnumber them now, which never happened in canon) to have this. THAT could change very soon, we're ALL working on it.

[ MOD INTERJECTION ]

[identity profile] shahni.livejournal.com 2007-12-07 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
This thread is now frozen. Thank you for turning a good discussion into pointless wank because you obviously have no sense of tact. Have a nice day. :')