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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-08-02 03:03 pm

[ SECRET POST #2769 ]


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[personal profile] saku 2014-08-03 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
ok but people who identify as shit like that in jest arent trying to figure out their identity, as was mentioned upthread, theyre purposely mocking trans people. no mention of that was made anywhere in this thread. you are only seeing what you want to see and assuming everyone else is on the same page.

im also not entirely sure where youre getting the idea that "nanogenderism" was created as a joke when it's an offset of demigenderism, both of which are taken seriously by those who identify as them. im not going to get into whether or not it's a "real" identity but assuming theyre joking and mocking them accordingly does no justice for "real" trans people like myself.

furthermore, i dont see why youre under the impression that any trans person thinks being trans is a choice. thats a very clear cisgender opinion, and it's been used to oppress trans people for decades. it's not that one's identity is up to whim it's that some folks ave a difficult time finding a label that they feel 100% suits them. youre mistaking this exploration with a declaration of choice where there is none.

to tie this back into the main point - none of these identities do any systematic damage to transgenderism when they arent made as jokes. the jokes themselves tend to come from cis people who already dont see trans people as human, and in that case, why are you blaming trans people for that?
Edited 2014-08-03 17:46 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2014-08-03 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
furthermore, i dont see why youre under the impression that any trans person thinks being trans is a choice.

This is literally what many trans kids on tumblr say. As I told you. I'm not sure why you're confused as to why I would say so.

im also not entirely sure where youre getting the idea that "nanogenderism" was created as a joke when it's an offset of demigenderism

Because the person who created the term has came out and said it was a joke. Why do you keep making the assumption that everyone is just making these assumptions and jumping to conclusions based on nothing?

thats a very clear cisgender opinion,

Oh I see. You're trolling. Well good day then.

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[personal profile] saku 2014-08-03 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
im not confused, im just contending your claim. anybody who says being trans is a choice is either trolling, or sincerely believes that, and is probably not trans themselves.

do you have a source on the nanogender thing? from what i have personally heard, "nanogender" as a term was coined by truscum to condemn certain nonbinary identities. people use it now as a serious term to minimise the negativity in its coinage. you said this discussion had nothing to do with truscum but you keep literally making it directly about truscum and truscum opinions.

i really dont get this aversion to "cisgender" as a term, it's not derogatory and especially in this discussion it's relevant. i'm not trolling, no matter how unfortunate that seems to you.

the bottom line is that people who identify as fuckin fairies or plants or whatever, like, yeah thats kind of weird i guess, and im of the opinion that most of them grow out of that mentality, but people like that are not causing transphobia, they just happen to stir it up in folks who were already transphobic to begin with. theyre literally not hurting anybody. any oppression ive faced as a trans person has not been because of them. blaming them for that makes no sense.