[ SECRET POST #2783 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2783 ⌋

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Comments

Re: I don't watch this show but...

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I think the difference is that the Hitler mustache is very clearly Nazi related. You cannot separate the two because Hitler very famously had the mustache, and was a Nazi. In-universe or in real life, this is fact and unmistakable.

With Hydra there are two points, as far as I can see:

1) It's fictional. Outside of movie-reality Hydra doesn't exist, and the only ties it has to the Nazis is what we're shown on the screen. In Cap I Hydra had already branched off the Nazis when we see them. Schmidt and his organization had already gone rough, so we're only ever really told that Hydra are Nazis, but never really shown. We never see any of the atrocities that Hydra supposedly committed, we just know they are the bad guys because they took those soldiers prisoner and because Red Skull was played by Hugo Weaving. They are the bad guys because they monologue and want to drop a bomb over New York, not because they committed Nazi crimes.

By Cap II the whole Nazi connection seems to have completely been forgotten, save for a few hilarious/dramatic "Heil Hydra"s.


2) In-universe, was it ever known that Captain America fought against Hydra? I was under the impression that the general public thought he fought regular Nazis, not some special science branch. So I could see why, especially with the events of Cap II bringing to light Hydras plans and machinations since WWII (which, while terrible, weren't typical Nazi ideology) I can see why a redemption could be possible in principle.

(That said I haven't watched Agents of SHIELD since the first few episodes, so I don't know if Ward has done something truly irredeemable. I'm just saying that I could see while the usual Nazi=no redemption rule could be different for movie!Hydra agents. I think in the comics the Nazi connection is more pronounced.)