[ SECRET POST #2790 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2790 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Question:

[mechanosapience]

And what exactly is wrong with prostitution? Also, don't put words in my mouth: sleeping with someone to advance in a career is different from someone using their position to coerce sex, because consent is magic!

Re: Question:

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I would say a lot, from a business ethics point of view.

Being able to sleep with someone doesn't give your actual work in the field any more merit or quality than it already had, yet it will advance for reasons totally unrelated to the product, service, or skill that is being promoted.

Nothing is wrong with prostitution by itself, because the sex is what is being sold. There is absolutely everything wrong with someone unqualified and inexperienced being moved up in company levels because they're sleeping with the boss, because this hurts everyone else involved.

Re: Question:

[mechanosapience]

Given the nature of the video game industry, I'm not sure this applies. As someone else in this thread points out, video game reviewers are not exactly bulwarks of professional integrity.

Re: Question:

[(Anonymous)]

Neither are politicians, and though we all know never to trust one, that doesn't make them in the ethical right, or somehow not liars.

Re: Question:

[mechanosapience]

I guess it just seems more like people are upset about her being a dirty whore corrupting a process when the process was already corrupt. I don't really blame someone for playing dirty when everyone else is as well. It may not be right, but I don't blame them.

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[(Anonymous)]

I think they're equally bad fwiw. People saying she's worse than they are, are def wrong. It doesn't make anyone in the right, however. Nor does it clear any of their actions.

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[(Anonymous)]

It varies from person to person who was more morally wrong (I figure Zoe herself being in a comitted relationship and the guy who are married take the second and first slots respectively), but all those gentlemen, if it was indeed related to their jobs, are ethically most in the wrong. Bribery is considered a bad thing for a reason.

Re: Question:

[dethtoll]

And that makes it okay?

I'll be the first to step up and say the games industry is a sausage fest (only 22% of game developers are women, a sizable minority but still not enough) and the indie gaming scene has been dominated by brown haired hipster douchebags with five o-clock shadows and a critical imbalance of self-importance:self-awareness, but what Zoe Quinn and the Five Guys did is not okay.

This could damage a lot of peoples' careers, people who are unconnected to this whole fiasco. I mean I'd be okay with it if some of the people involved never worked again, but there's a reason most of the big names in games journalism are trying their damnedest to pretend this never happened or paint Zoe as a victim in all this -- because they're worried about what it might mean for their jobs.

Re: Question:

[mechanosapience]

I'll be honest, I don't know much of the background. It's shitty that people unconnected to this are going to experience the fallout, and I don't think that sleeping up the food chain is right (or very effective in many case, as ill_omened pointed out), but I don't begrudge anyone who decides to even the odds by doing so.

Re: Question:

[dethtoll]

And that doesn't seem like a contradiction to you?

Re: Question:

[mechanosapience]

Not really, no. Sleeping with someone to advance one's career isn't right, but there are a lot of things that aren't right that I care about/piss me off way more than that.

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[dethtoll]

Okay then.