[ SECRET POST #2790 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2790 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The only people who can validly criticize Moffat are classic Who fans? Interesting.

[philstar22]

That's not what I was saying at all. Anyone can "validly" criticize anything. I was just responding to a comment that was saying the criticism was coming from Classic Who fans. And saying that in my experience that isn't true. And also, most of the obnoxious criticizers who talk about their opinion as objective fact and ruin it for those who like Moffat's era are mostly Ten-only fans, at least in my experience.

There is a difference between criticism/discussing opinions about disliking something and the level to which some people take it where they are ruining it for everyone. And that is coming mostly from a particular group of fans.

[iggy]

And also, most of the obnoxious criticizers who talk about their opinion as objective fact and ruin it for those who like Moffat's era are mostly Ten-only fans, at least in my experience.

I wish people would stop saying this. It is completely false.

[philstar22]

If your saying what I said is false, then no, in my experience, it isn't. I can't speak for anyone else's, but that is what I've seen in the fandom.

[iggy]

Everyone I know who criticizes Moffat has at the very least watched Nine, if not some or a lot of Classic Who, so yes, I think 'Ten only' fans is a load of.

[philstar22]

Well, yes, watched Nine. I meant Ten-only in terms of only liking him or thinking he's vastly superior and somehow a different person from the other Doctors.

[iggy]

No.

I am very tired of people brushing off legitimate criticism of Moffat's work as being a thing perpetuated by over the top Ten fans. It's false, baseless, and it silences legitimate complaints about real issues (misogyny, racism, etc.) by brushing them off as something that exists because a fanatical fringe can't get over losing their fave. Most Ten fans are GLAD he regenerated.

Having Ten as your favorite Doctor doesn't mean you think he's 'superior' to other Doctors. It just means he's your favorite. When people say that to them the Doctor died with Ten (which is not at all just said by people who have Ten as their fave), they're not saying it because Ten is THE MOST IMPORTANT DOCTOR EVER. They're saying that because if they accept that Ten regenerated into Eleven, they can no longer like the Doctor (any regeneration of him) because they find Eleven to be so awful. It's got nothing to do uniquely with Ten, and everything to do with Eleven.

[philstar22]

Oh for god's sake. I'm not talking about legitimate criticism or people who just don't like him and understand it is opinion. I'm talking about specifically the obnoxious people who horn Moffat hate into every conversation, insist that everyone should agree with them and everyone who doesn't is objectively wrong, and purposefully try to ruin it for everyone else. And those very specific people seem to mostly be that specific type of Ten fan.

There is nothing wrong with being that type of Ten fan. The problem is being obnoxious and ruining it for everyone who disagrees with you.

[(Anonymous)]

Stop policing other people's experiences. You can say "well, my experience doesn't mine up with what you're saying at all" but telling someone that their observations are either objectively wrong somehow or telling them that they're lying makes you a compelte asshole.

[(Anonymous)]

You're a fucking asshole and a moron and your hateboner has blinded you.

They have literally said that this is their experience.

The fact you're so defensive makes me think you ARE one of those Ten fans.