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⌈ Secret Post #2792 ⌋

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Comments

Re: CLASSIC LITERATURE FIGHT!!!

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT and I want to be very clear here

I don't think that you're anti-intellectual because you don't like classic literature. I don't think that, in any way, at all. You could dislike every piece of classic literature ever written and that would not in itself make me think you were anti-intellectual.

The part that makes me think you're anti-intellectual is the part where you slam academics for being intellectual and talk about how it's all just nonsense. Where you dismiss the arguments that people make and say that the only reason they make them is because of class or gender, or because of their inability to come up with original thoughts. That's why I thought what you said was anti-intellectual - because the arguments you're making are arguments against the possibility of people liking these books for valid reasons. Because the arguments you're making dismiss the possibility of valid intellectual investigation into this field. That's why I thought it was anti-intellectual.

Agree with them or not. Like the books or not. I don't give a shit. But I don't think it's correct or reasonable to talk about how these books are obviously shit and academics keep them around solely because they're brainwashed.

Re: CLASSIC LITERATURE FIGHT!!!

[dethtoll]

You need to read my post again. I did not slam academics for being intellectuals.

You keep using "brainwashed" as if that's what I implied. It isn't. Read my post, read it carefully.

These things become classics because people who think they're smart say they're amazing, they get put into curriculum for study, and because English literature in academia tends to be very, very stagnant and unchanging because traditionalism we're still studying the same goddamn books regardless of whether they're readable or relevant.

Re: CLASSIC LITERATURE FIGHT!!!

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is that every one of those books has people who think that it is amazing and relevant. Every single one of them. In the case of things like Joyce and Faulkner, scads of people who think they're brilliant and relevant and worth studying. Valuable, either for modern life or for the study of English literature as a discipline. And who can give you reasons for thinking so. There are people who like these things for reasons other than tradition, or who claim to, and who are passionate about them.

And you don't have to agree with them. There are plenty of good answers to those people if you disagree with them. But if your answer is "Nope, everything they're saying is just mindless respect for a meaningless tradition, the books are just shit and irrelevant" - if you're seriously going to reduce the reasons they have for being passionate about these things to "tradition" and "because their (white, male) mentors told them so" and so you don't have to have any response to the content of what they're saying - I have no respect at all for that answer and I think it's an anti-intellectual thing to say. And that's pretty much what you've said as far as I'm able to determine.

(Also I don't think that English literature in academia is as stagnant as you think it is - we've had going on 40, 50 years now of challenging Dead White Males - but that's not central to the point and I am willing to cede the argument there)